"I Think that The Problem with Modern Americans is that they are so timid that they don't even learn about The History of conspiracies that we have absolutely proven --"
Jeffrey Epstein and The Nature of Evil | Eric Weinstein and Lex Fridman
can we talk a little bit about evil sure i haven't actually talked to you about this topic and it's been sitting on my mind mostly because everybody at mit is quiet about it which is jeffrey epstein i didn't get a chance to experience what mit was like at the time when jeffrey epstein was part of this but it's i'd love to try to understand how evil was allowed to flourish in in a place that i love whether you think maybe let me ask the question this way was it the man evil or was the system evil or is evil too strong a word because what i see is the presence of of this particular human being in the eyes of many destroyed the reputations of many really strong scientists and also weaken the ability like weaken the institution of mit by making everybody quiet like almost making them unable to say anything interesting or difficult yeah and what what is that and what am i supposed to uh we don't know why is everyone quiet about jeffrey we don't no we don't know obviously i want to scream about it too right and i probably have said too much about jeffrey epstein look something horrible happened i don't know what it is but something horrible happened and you know at the one thing that okay let's just do this the first thing i need to do is i need to get rid of this woke crap about power differentials okay in general you can talk about hypergamy and power differentials are russell conjugates of the same concept just the way particular proportions and symmetries are mathematically provable to be attractive in females to males male attractiveness is largely determined by male competence and ability to amass power and success and all these sorts of things the relationship between consenting adults is quite frankly not something i want to sort out the relationship between the sexuality of adults and minors and particularly you know there's the the the 1718 issue that's very different than 1213. we're talking about really sick depravity with respect to what it appears that jeffrey epstein was involved in at some level i believe this story is super complicated in part because i think one thing jeffrey epstein was doing was providing money encouragement and support to scientists another thing he was doing i believe was giving tax advice to very rich people i believe another thing he was doing was hooking very wealthy people up with young adult females; another thing he was doing, i think, was doing stuff with children that will curl your toes —
— so between…. so, there's an entire spectrum of different stuff, and at the moment, nobody can pull apart or deconflate anything, because The Woke Thing comes over it, and says, you know — “…..I think it's disgusting that, uh you know — a 43 year old billionaire would be partying with a 23 year old —”
right, yeah. okay, yeah —
— I don't want to adjudicate that; I'm worried about 12 and 14 year olds that we're not talking about… but I mostly —
I don't think MIT was deep into pedophilia; my guess is that that did not happen.
I don't think that The Scientists were The Targets of the really sick depraved stuff;
It's my guess, my — my guess is. that what you're looking at was a government construct
It may have been our government,
it may have been a joint government project,
maybe somebody else's government, I don't know —
I believe that in part, — we don't really understand Robert Maxwell —
….sorry, who's Robert Maxwell..?
….Gillane Maxwell’s Father was
very active in Scientific Publishing
I don't know where peer review came from…..
I would love to run down the relationship between peer review and robert maxwell i would love to run down the missing fortune of robert maxwell and the mysterious fortune of jeffrey epstein because i don't think jeffrey epstein ever ran a hedge fund i don't think he was a money advisor the way people claimed so there's two things i want to talk about so one is the shallow conversations of woke identity politics that you're referring to seems to be removing everyone's ability no everyone willingness one of the things to talk about like what the hell is this person and how is he allowed more most importantly to how do we prevent it in the future and from the individual perspective the question for me is the same question i ask about 1930s nazi germany i've been reading way too much probably or not enough about that period currently is if i was in germany at that time what is the heroic action to take when i think about mit with jeffrey epstein what is the heroic action to take we're not talking about virtue signaling i wouldn't know what to do i would like to know what you're up against lex you're not hearing me the problem here is what was jeffrey epstein well that question might be the heroic action to take that's what i'm trying to say i'm just trying to get my first question you have to map the silence with jeffrey epstein what you're describing is a map of the silence at mit yeah well is there a map of the silence in washington state around jeffrey epstein the bay area new york city the amount of silence around jeffrey epstein should be telling you everything the number of dogs that don't bark is like nothing we've ever seen you're exactly correct but i want to know what is it telling us because what it's telling me is not some kind of conspiracy but more a disappointing weakness not some kind of conspiracy it's not some kind of conspiracy but you've got to be kidding me no you're so you're so afraid of saying the word conspiracy that you don't think it's a conspiracy i personally i just think it's people who i thought were my heroes just being weak no be of good cheer sir a cheer be of good cheer of good cheer yeah you think that there is a conspiracy i think there is a conspiracy that'd be a very impressive one that's the scale of it i i tend to believe that large scale can only be an emergent phenomena really i find this so fascinating yeah because i always see you as like a logic logic and love drive your drive your soul you're very logical you're relentless you've got a lot of love in your heart i believe that if you would review the video where is it from dubai or abu dhabi of the mysterious hit on the hotel guest you ever seen this thing yeah oh what happened it's the assassination in 2010 10 years ago of mahmoud al mabu something like that in dubai where i believe 26 separate individuals on multiple teams are shown converging coming in from all over the world on false passports pretending to be tennis players or you know business people or vacationers and all of these teams have different functions and they murder this guy in his in his hotel room and The Dubai, I guess, Chief of Police, Security Officer was so uh angered that he put together this amazing video that says we can completely detail what you did we caught you on closed circuit tv we don't know exactly who you are because your disguises and your false passports but yeah 26 people converged to kill one no i don't believe you i don't believe after cointelpro an operation paperclip and uh operation mockingbird uh i don't know whether i should even bring up rex84…..
— to not believe in Conspiracies is an idiocy…..
…….so you you have a sense that, uh,
Evil can be as competent, or more competent..?
— first of all when Evil wants to operate at scale,
it needs to make sure that people don't try to figure out Evil;
when Evil operates at scale yes from first principles you have to realise that evil must not want it investigated that's correct the most efficient way to keep yourself from being investigated if you are a an evil institutional player who needs to do this repeatedly is to invest in a world in which no one can afford to say the word conspiracy you will notice that there is a special radioactivity around the word conspiracy we have provable conspiracies we have admitted to conspiracies you have been invited to conspiracies there is no shortage conspiracies are everywhere some of them are mundane some of them are like price fixing cartels you know or trade groups are generally speaking conspiracies so the first thing you have to realize is that all of us are under a in a mimetic complex where you can be taken off the chess board by saying conspiracy theorists get done it's a one it's like a one-line proof; we don't have to listen to lex he said he was a conspiracy theorist on this show okay that is partially distorting our conversation if you want to ask me about jeffrey epstein you have to agree with me that that is a logical description of what you would have to have if you wanted to commit conspiracies is that you have to make sure that people are dissuaded from investigating yes okay but it's a very it's a fascinatingly difficult idea then because the world with conspiracy theories in the world without conspiracy theories to the sh to the shallow glance looks the same well my point there is responsible conspiracy theorizing where you look at the history of unearthed conspiracies and just like you would with any other topic just think about how different the rules in your mind are for conspiracy theorizing versus x theorizing where x can be anything right it's like if i say to you um i can say the statement that average weight is not the same between widely separated populations you'd say yeah i'd say average height is not the same between widely separated populations you'd say yeah then i say in fact no continuous variable that has that shows variation should be expected to be identical between widely separated of course eric like iq whoa whoa hold on right so we have a violent reaction to specific topics so the first thing i want to do is just to notice that conspiracy has that built into everyone's mind that's really important to state yeah that's it's very interesting at that and as a prerequisite as you're saying that would be the first step if you wanted to uh pull off a conspiracy in a competent way that's you would have to first convince the world --
i just watched the film 1971 about my favorite conspiracy of all time i highly recommend it 1971 well the film is entitled 1971 and it's about the citizens committee to investigate the fbi which was run by a student of murray gelman a physicist and broke into fbi offices in pennsylvania to steal files which allowed freedom of information requests that discovered a huge conspiracy it was a conspiracy that unearthed a conspiracy inside the federal government a double conspiracy story which launched multiple conspiracies;
I Think that The Problem with Modern Americans is that they are so timid that they don't even learn about The History of conspiracies that we have absolutely proven --
so with that done jeff epstein in my opinion represented somebody's construction i don't know scary to think about yeah well what part of the story isn't scary i in part did something which i i imagine may get me destroyed because i was more worried about being destroyed by somebody else i had a conversation with around jeff epstein right so i'm just trying to like get let it be known that i don't know anything more than i've already said now your friends at mit yeah their problem is is that jeff epstein showed up as the only person capable of continuing u.s scientific tradition you see the u.s scientific tradition is a little bit like the russian it's it's combative okay and we're a free society and we act like a free society we're a rich society and we research like we're a rich society that is historically and then came the 1970s and william proxmyer and the golden fleece awards and the idea that we have to we're paying too much and these are welfare queens and lab coats and blah blah blah blah we need more transparency more oversight everything went to hell and the national culture of u.s science was lost the thing that produced all this prosperity and security and power was lost and then jeff epstein shows up and a tiny number of funders maybe fred cavley um maybe yuri milner maybe um who else would be in this category peter thiel to an extent howard hughes would be the largest of these things which has different grant structures than the nih gave people a modicum of risk-taking ability okay well when jeff epstein showed up everybody wanted to take risk in science and suddenly a charismatic billionaire says hey i can make that work for you here's a hundred thousand dollars go go research something crazy well that money was supposed to be provided by the federal government under the terms of the endless frontier compact between the federal government and the universities and the federal government the taxpayers welched okay so that's one place to lay the blame for jeff epstein as that the the failure of the federal government to honor to honor its commitment --
yeah right
-- So The Universities became psychopathic; it's not like everybody doesn't remember what we're supposed to be doing to be moral; but The Point was, there wasn't enough money to be moral -- so it was time to, uh -- to eye each other as a source of protein as i like to say....
And in that process Jeffrey Epstein said, "...hey -- come to my world, we can do it like we used to do...!"
so in in part my point is is that almost none of your colleagues at MIT have that kind of religious commitment to science that they're willing to go down with ship science the galileo galilei thing became very important to science because occasionally you just have to say look this isn't about me and you i there isn't enough money in the world to buy the kind of legacy i want to leave to this planet this is one of the great things about science you know potentially it's worth dying for --
Q. : -- yeah: i'm glad you said it science is one of the things that is best that's worth dying for i mean i'm not eager to martyr myself but i've certainly risked my health my fortune you know i've destroyed myself economically over science and um and my my my need to oppose these sons of in chaired professorships who are destroying our system along with everyone else you
hi bud
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