Wednesday, 2 October 2013
Kenya: Frank Lowry - Owner of the Westgate Mall
Shoah vs. The Holocaust (1978 TV-Mini) - The Power of Public Myth
Shoah vs. The Holocaust (1978 TV-Mini) - Ahmadinejad on The Power of Public Myth from Spike1138 on Vimeo.
“Prof. Zelikow’s area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, ‘public myths’ or ‘public presumptions’ which he defines as ‘beliefs
(1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known with certainty) and
(2) shared in common within the relevant political community.’
In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called ‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events (that) take on 'transcendent’ importance and therefore retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene. . . .
He has noted that ‘a history’s narrative power is typically linked to how readers relate to the actions of individuals in the history; if readers cannot make the connection to their own lives, then a history may fail to engage them at all.”
(“Thinking about Political History”, Miller Center Report, Winter 1999, pp. 5-7)
"Readers should imagine the possibilities for themselves, because the most serious constraint on current policy [nonaggression] is lack of imagination. An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history.
It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse.
Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible.
Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after."
The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after."
Our leaders will be judged negligent for not addressing catastrophic terrorism more urgently."
- Philip Zelikow, "Catastrophic Terrorism", 1998
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077025/
Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on The Holocaust (1978 TV-Mini) vs. Shoah from Spike1138 on Vimeo.
"I have said before that I am not a historian, and when it comes to speaking of the dimensions of the Holocaust, it is the historians that should reflect.
But in general, I can tell you that any crime that happens in history against humanity, including the crimes the Nazis created towards the Jews as well as non-Jews is reprehensible and condemnable. Whatever criminality they committed against the Jews, we condemn."
He basically says exactly the same thing as Amadinijaad did, but uses more tactful language.
He's saying "The 6 million thing is bullshit", without directly referring the 6 million.
Ahmadinejad was notorious for going around saying "the Holocaust is a myth and they lie about it".
But the siege of Troy is a myth; the Kennedy Assassination is a myth; 9/11 is a myth; al-Qaeda is a myth.
Saying something is a myth is not the same as saying its not true or it didn't happen - there are countless real things and real events that are consciously mythologised to drive public policy.
Philip Zelikow wrote that paper on The Power of Public Myth - in reference to Pearl Harbour, and put it into practice by co-authoring Thirteen Days, which was his version of the Cuban Missile Crisis repurposed for propaganda purposes.
And then he wrote the 9/11 Commission Report, before the commissioners began hearing testimony.
And the Holocaust (as distinct from Shoah), IS a myth, we know it is - codified in the 1978 TV Miniseries, that's what the Holocaust *is*; the foundational myth of the apartheid State of Israel.
Holocaust, of course, means "burnt offering", a sacrifice demanded by YAWH of the Israelites; Shoah, I seem to recall, means something closer to "the sadness", which is accurate to the experience of European Jewry during these years; "Holocaust", isn't - Hitler wasn't sacrificing Jews in the Reich, but it IS an accurate turn of phrase from the point of view of the Zionist movement who leverage the deportations and refugee crisis to push their Jewish insurgency in Palestine and further their armed struggle to achieve an ethnically pure Jewish state. And close all the mixed swimming baths in Jerusalem.
Rouhani and Ahmadinejad are BOTH right, and their positions are in no way incompatible, although Ahmadinejad, for his rabble-rousing, was far more pissed off an militant about it the way he expressed himself, playing to the crowd.
https://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/irvinem/theory/baudrillard-simulacra_and_simulation.pdf
Mae Brussell - The Holocaust (1978 TV-Mini) - April 23,1978 from Spike1138 on Vimeo.
Disregard the stuff about the ADL in the first 10 mins - Mae cleans house.
The Power of Nightmares - Baby It's Cold Outside from Spike1138 on Vimeo.
In The Power of Nightmares, documentary filmmaker Adam Curtis opines that :
"[Leo] Strauss believed it was for politicians to assert powerful and inspiring myths that everyone could believe in.
They might not be true, but they were necessary illusions.
One of these was religion; the other was the myth of the nation."
Strauss noted that thinkers of the first rank, going back to Plato, had raised the problem of whether good and effective politicians could be completely truthful and still achieve the necessary ends of their society.
By implication, Strauss asks his readers to consider whether it is true that noble lies have no role at all to play in uniting and guiding the polis.
Are myths needed to give people meaning and purpose and to ensure a stable society? Or can men dedicated to relentlessly examining, in Nietzsche's language, those "deadly truths," flourish freely?
Thus, is there a limit to the political, and what can be known absolutely?
In The City and Man, Strauss discusses the myths outlined in Plato's Republic that are required for all governments. These include a belief that the state's land belongs to it even though it was likely acquired illegitimately and that citizenship is rooted in something more than the accidents of birth.
Seymour Hersh also claims that Strauss endorsed noble lies: myths used by political leaders seeking to maintain a cohesive society.
Tuesday, 1 October 2013
The Panama Deception - The Neocolonial Injustice of "Operation Just Cause"
On December 20, 1989, over 27,000 U.S. troops invaded the small Central American country of Panama. The world’s most powerful military overwhelmed the Panama Defense Force (PDF) and its 3,000 soldiers.
AH-64 Apache helicopter raked the country, both military bases and working class communities. After the PDF crumbled, fighting by irregular Panamanian militia lasted a few days.
The invaders called this "Operation Just Cause."
What were the reasons given for this invasion? They are all too familiar:
The U.S. President, then George Bush, Sr., said he was removing an evil dictator, General Manuel Noriega, who was brutalizing his own people. Noreiega was portrayed on TV as a madman waving a machete. After a concocted incident provoked by U.S. troops, Bush claimed that an invasion was needed to "protect American lives."
Meanwhile, this same Noriega was actually on the CIA payroll (right up to invasion), and the main reason for the invasion was to make sure that the Panama Canal remained under U.S. imperialist control.
Saving Panama’s People from Brutality?
The U.S. has never had qualms about brutalizing the Panamanian people--not during this invasion and not during the previous 83 years of U.S. domination.
In the 1989 invasion, heavy U.S. firepower was turned on civilian communities. The poor working class neighborhood of El Chorillo was burnt to the ground and quickly got a new nickname--"Little Hiroshima."
Panamanians estimate that between 2,000 and 6,000 people were killed in this invasion. Many of them were dumped into mass graves. Witnesses reported that U.S. troops used flame-throwers on the dead, the bodies shriveling up as they burned.
This invasion was obviously NOT done to protect Panama’s people!
Protecting American Lives?
A U.S soldier was killed by PDF troops. Bush said this meant all 35,000 Americans stationed in Panama were in danger.
In reality, the U.S. government had been working hard to provoke such an incident for months--by running military "exercises" through the streets of Panama City. A schoolteacher was killed by U.S. troops in one exercise. In this artificially charged climate, U.S. soldiers ran a Panamanian checkpoint near a sensitive military installation--and one of them got shot.
And what, after all, were all these 35,000 Americans doing in Panama? They served the U.S. economic, military, and political domination of Panama. And what did it mean to "protect" their safety? It could only mean tightening that domination.
Freeing a Country from a Thug?
General Noriega was a military officer handpicked and trained by U.S. to run Panama. He became a paid CIA operative in 1967 and attended the U.S. Army’s notorious School of the Americas (also known as the School of Assassins). When the previous Panamanian leader Omar Torrijos fell out of U.S. favor (and then fell out of the sky in a 1981 plane crash), Manuel Noriega was hoisted into power with U.S. backing.
Noriega certainly was a corrupt and vicious thug. This was (in part) why Noriega was seen as a valuable "asset," as a ruthless man whose loyalty could be bought, who would do whatever was needed to serve U.S. interests (including suppress the Panamanian people).
Under Noriega, U.S. military operations expanded in Panama. Bush, Sr. personally met with Noriega in 1967 (when he was head of the CIA) and in 1983 (when he was vice president). In the early ‘80s, Noriega helped set up the CIA’s "drugs-for-guns" trade that used cocaine trafficking to finance their secret Contra war against Nicaragua. All during the Reagan ‘80s, Noriega got personal CIA and Pentagon payments of nearly $200,000 a year.
So it was complete hypocrisy for the U.S. government to claim that they were liberating the Panamanian people. The U.S. government (and Bush Sr. personally) had after all imposed this brutal agent on Panama for many years.
When Noriega stole the 1984 Panamanian election, Reagan’s Secretary of State praised the farce for "initiating the process of democracy." But then (with more hypocrisy) the Bush administration suddenly started claiming by 1989 that their invasion was now needed to overthrow Noriega and "restore democracy."
And so what did the invading U.S. force replace Noreiga with in 1989? More handpicked puppets!
Elite U.S. forces seized Noriega and flew him to the U.S. to stand trial--and to take care that he was never allowed to spill all the secrets he knew about the CIA and George Bush 1.
Meanwhile, Guillermo Endara--the U.S. government’s hand-picked choice--was sworn in as president of Panama on a U.S. base in the U.S.-controlled Canal Zone. The new Panamanian president and others in his government were tied to Panamanian banks deep into drug trade and money laundering. And none of them, of course, came to power to serve the Panamanian people.
Elections were held later--under conditions that guaranteed results that would closely serve what the U.S. wanted and needed in Panama. And the main "guarantee" of those results was, of course, the soldiers, guns, and planes of the U.S. military packed all around Panama--forces who had just proven, in case anyone had doubts, that they could be merciless in enforcing U.S. interests.
So What was the Invasion Really About?
The U.S. interest in Panama has always focused on one main thing: the strategic importance of the Panama Canal. The Canal was crucial to U.S. global operations--its capitalist penetration of Latin America and Asia, and its ability to shift its military forces aggressively around the world.
The U.S. stole Panama from Colombia in 1903. They colonized the Canal Zone and packed it with U.S. bases--so that no one (including Panama’s people) could challenge U.S. control. And after World War 2, it became the headquarters of SOUTHCOM--the U.S. military command center for gathering intelligence, carrying out intrigues, and suppressing insurgencies throughout Latin America.
In the 1970s, faced with defeat in Vietnam and growing challenges from its Soviet rivals, the U.S. ruling class decided to change how they exercised control over the Panama Canal Zone--from direct U.S. colonial control, to control through the Panamanian neocolonial government.
As that changeover approached, Noriega looked less and less like the man-for-the-job. Just ten days before much of the administration of the Canal was scheduled to go over to Panama (on January 1, 1990) the U.S. invaded to get rid of Noriega.
Thousands of Panamanians were killed so that Washington could be confident it would keep control of the Canal--and so a new set of corrupt rulers could imposed.
It represented a tightening of the U.S. grip on Panama and all of Latin America. It was one of the first new global moves (after the collapse of the Soviet Union) to push forward the U.S. as the world’s "only superpower"--soon to be followed by the first Gulf War in 1990 (against that other, estranged U.S. ally Saddam Hussein!).
This series is available online at revcom.org/history.htm
This article is posted in English and Spanish on Revolution Online
http://revcom.us
Israel and WMD
Israel's Nuclear Submarine Fleet from Spike1138 on Vimeo.
"We are not allowed to talk about our operations, because this is the secret to our success. If I tell you what we are planning to do in the next war, The Enemy would be waiting for us, and we don't want to give him a competitative edge - I'll be the one waiting for him!" - Israeli Seaman
Israel operates three Dolphin-class submarines on constant patrol - each Dolphin is capable of carrying, as well as torpedoes, a payload of four intermediate range ballistic missiles with a range of up to 1500 miles, currently understood to be targeted on strategic sites within Iran.
They are also capable of carrying and firing the custom modified Popeye-class anti-ship missiles alleged to have been fired (by Wayne Madsen of the Madsen Report) in the False Flag attack on the USS Cole in Aden on the Third Day of the Second Intifada in October 2000, shortly before the US Presidential Election.
The Clinon Administration were never able to clarify who the culprits were - the incoming Bush Administration belatedly determined that "al-Qaeda did it" but failed to follow up on this, and Lead Investigator and FBI Special Agent in Charge John O'Neill was declared dead as a victim of the World Trade Centre Attacks on 9/11 - however, his deputy, Ali Souffan reports several alarming and strange occurrences for the FBI in Yemen, including a missile lock on the FBI's helicopter by the Yemeni Air Defence Network and several other possible or probable assassination attempts prior to O'Neill's recall due to lobbying by US Ambassador to Yemen, Barbara Bodine (one of Madeline Albright's favourites - Albright has been similarly less than helpful to Bill Clinton and US interests over Iraq, the Kosovo War, the African Embassy Bombings and the Israeli Palestinian Peace Process over the previous 4 years...)
Madeleine Albright on the Iranian Nuclear Program from Spike1138 on Vimeo.
"They say the most ridiculous things about Israel"
Hunter S. Thompson, 1998: "The Democratic Party are not trying to save Clinton; they are trying to save themselves."
Honourably discharged from the air force in 1958, Thompson began freelance writing, working as the Caribbean correspondent in San Juan, Puerto Rico for the New York Herald Tribune, also reporting from South America in 1962 for the National Observer. During this period, an argument with the National Observer editors over an effusive review of Tom Wolfe's The Kandy-kolored Tangerine-Flake Streamlined Baby left him out of work. Thompson used his enforced leisure time to write a novel, The Rum Diary – the story set in San Juan and narrated by a semi-autobiographical character called Paul Kemp. Thompson spent much of the 60's writing and rewriting the novel, based upon his experiences as a freelance journalist in Puerto Rico during the late 1950's. The Rum Diary, heavily influenced by Thompson's literary heroes Hemingway, F Scott Fitzgerald and Faulkner, remained unpublished until 1998.
It was this novel, finally released as a motion picture later this year starring Johnny Depp and directed by Bruce 'Withnail & I' Robinson, that I was meant to be discussing with Thompson on 17th October 1998. There was also the Proud Highway, his recently published first collection of letters spanning 1955 to 1967, and Terry Gilliam's film of Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas to discuss.
However, Thompson had completely forgotten that he was supposed to be conducting an interview at the appointed time. He had much more important matters to consider.
Thompson was frantically trying to complete a very long profile of the disgraced President Bill Clinton for the magazine that had made his name, Rolling Stone. The huge Starr Report, an exhaustive investigation by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr into the affairs of Bill Clinton, had recently been published in September 1998.
At first conceived as an enquiry into a disastrous land deal, which was termed Whitewater, instigated by the 1993 suicide of deputy White House Council Vince Foster, Starr's enquiry also raked over Clinton's alleged misuse of FBI files, abuse of White House travel agents and the president's performance during a sexual harassment lawsuit brought by a former Arkansas government employee Paula Jones.
During the case, Starr's team were given a tape by Linda Tripp of phone conversations with White House intern Monica Lewinsky talking about having oral sex with Bill Clinton. With the Lewinsky tape, attempts were made in the Paula Jones lawsuit to portray Clinton as a serial adulterer, but Clinton denied having "sexual relations" with Lewinsky.
Starr, armed with the tapes and a dress of Lewinsky's, provided by Tripp, splattered with Clinton's semen, and surmised that Clinton had perjured himself. Clinton's defence at the Starr Grand Jury rested upon the definition of the term "sexual relations".
The Starr enquiry would ultimately lead to Clinton's impeachment in December 1998 but despite this the president was acquitted in his trial before the United States Senate. Regardless of the fact that the Republicans then dominated the Senate, they were unable to raise the two-thirds majority in order to convict Clinton. Yet on 17th October 1998 it looked like The Comeback Kid was finally down for the count.
The Clinton/Starr case had also obviously stirred Thompson's memories on 17th October 1998 of his own major trial on 22nd May, 1990, in Pitkin, Aspen, when the author was charged with the following: "Misdemeanour, sexual assault and felony charges of possession of illegal drugs and dynamite."
Thompson's major problems began on 21st February 1990, when 35-year old Gail Palmer-Slater '"self-employed writer" and producer of hit porn pictures such as Erotic Adventures of Candy, visited Owl Farm, high in the Colorado mountains. Palmer-Slater claimed Thompson punched her and grabbed her left breast when she declined to interview the author in his jacuzzi.
Thompson counter claimed that Palmer-Slater was seeking publicity for her sex aid business venture.
On 26th February 1990, a team from the office of Milton Bradley, the district attorney in Colorado's Ninth Judicial District, arrived at Owl Farm with a search warrant. Thompson had been warned of their impending arrival, but during a 11 hour search of the ranch the team found various vials, containers, a "round green canister" containing a "a white powdery substance", a 22. Calibre machine gun, a 12-gauge shotgun, explosive blasting caps, "unknown pills", a bronze hookah, a "possible" amount of hashish and a "baggie containing a small quality of a green substance."
Thompson claimed that the drugs discovered were probably years old as "every freak in the world" had been through his home in the past 24 years. Thompson even tendered his own headline to the press:
"LIFESTYLE POLICE RAID HOME OF 'CRAZED' GONZO JOURNALIST. 11-HOUR SEARCH BY SIX TRAINED INVESTIGATORS YIELDS NOTHING BUT CRUMBS."
By 30th May 1990, Thompson stood victorious on the steps of Pitkin County Courthouse on Main Street, Aspen. All charges of sexual assault, possession of drugs and dynamite had been dropped by District Judge Charles Buss, who denounced the DA for negligence, malfeasance and criminal abuse of police power. Thompson told the assembled crowd of photographers, reporters and his supporters that his victory was a triumph for all Americans, for the constitutional right to privacy in one's own home and not to be subjected to unwarranted search and seizure. But from that point on, Thompson would become much more wary of intruders into his private domain.
As I anxiously waited for the Owl Farm telephone to answer, I recall fervently hoping that I could actually understand Thompson's curious fast mumbling manner of speaking, which Johnny Depp so successfully mimicked when he portrayed the writer's Raoul Duke alter ego in Gilliam's Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas. If Thompson ever picked up the damn phone to begin our interview. Luckily, Thompson did and he was aware of the transatlantic comprehension problem.
Hunter S. Thompson: "Ah!"
Doctor Thompson?
HST: Yeah, I just heard something. Holy Christ, I forgot about that. What is it?
I'm ringing to do the interview for the magazine.
HST: Well, well, well… let's just see how we can take these things over the fly, over the shoulder. I'd actually forgotten about this I'm sorry. It is 2 o'clock on Friday night isn't it?
It's nine o'clock in the morning here.
HST: You're right on schedule. What's your name?
Ian Johnston.
HST: Ian Johnston. Well OK. Let's see. Trying to think, ah. If we do this we have to think about infliction. Having to do a thirty-minute interview and you having any fucking idea of what I've said. Let me give you another line and I'll plug you into the speakerphone. In two minutes.
[Two minutes later]
HST: [pretending to be an answerphone message] Today the market tip is …. Sell Clinton. The stock will not go any higher. Repeat; sell Clinton.
Hello sir.
HST: I had no idea. This had slipped my mind and my assistant had killed herself. It's been bloody rough. This is very fortuitous that you should call out of nowhere. Yeah, I'm spacing out, as they say in some cultures.
You obviously lead a nocturnal existence. Do you find it better to write at night?
HST: Oh yeah, it's too busy during the day. There are too many plumbers and salesmen driving around. It's like writing in a crowd, in the street.
Has it always been like that for you?
HST: As a matter of function, yeah. I wasn't born a vampire bat. As a matter of, take a look around you. I can't handle it. There's no way I can work as a writer during the day. There's just too much happening.
Your farm is quite a communications neve centre, isn't? You've got just about every communication device known to man. How many televisions do you have?
HST: I try, yes. Oh, four, five around the room. It's great to have them side-by-side for various time zones. You have a sense of being on top of the world. A big target. You're at sea level, right?
Yes.
HST: Well. I'm a mile and a half high.
That must be a secure feeling.
HST: [Laughs] Not really, no. They're still after me.
They tried in 1990, didn't they?
HST: Once, they've tried many times. They've made several serious moves on me, but that was a big time bust. That was like having Kenneth Starr after you. That was a controlled, organized war, attack, on me. I don't want to seem melodramatic here, it's a matter of fact, and it's been documented. It was the Fed's, and the local people, the DA. Just like Starr is doing to Clinton.
Because they saw you as a subversive element?
HST: Yeah, I think that's exactly it. What I stand for, what I seem to, is becoming increasing difficult ground to hold.
Just to get on with your own life, in your own way?
HST: Well, that's basic but I am also involved in politics. I'm writing a piece right now, that's why we're a little amok here. I'm writing a terminal judgement on Clinton for Rolling Stone.
Do you think he's had it?
HST: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I see this as one of the people who is going to have to pick-up the pieces, when that crazy, low-rent bastard is gone. I care about that, it doesn't matter what he does. I don't like the man, and he doesn't like me."
Clinton is from a generation that might have read Fear and Loathing…
HST: Oh, he did, yeah. He worked for McGovern. If you don't care about what's going to happen in this country, it's easy to dismiss Clinton and Starr as just a bunch of Nazis. Which is true, in a way. I've already said this in that book Better Than Sex that I wrote.
There are some very harsh judgements on Clinton in there. I've been through the attack on me and my response was to fight like a wolverine. I'm a professional writer and journalist, and without friends and constitutional lawyers and people like that who came to my aid, I would have gone down the tubes with that. It was a big time assault on me, but I had the added leverage that I knew that I was right. I knew they were going to come after me, just as Clinton knows they are coming after him.
It was a monumental struggle but it was good, good for everybody. It cost me about a hundred and thirty thousand dollars, but it was worth it. But Clinton isn't really fighting.
See, I was innocent. Not innocent as the driven snow but… I know how Clinton's got himself into this goddamn mess. He's been doing it his whole life. But he's not fighting back, he's just weaselling around. That's going to make him a weak president. That's why I say he's finished.
Do you think if Clinton is impeached and Al Gore steps in that the Democrats will be re-elected?
HST: Well, we're getting into the technical aspects here. I think Gore will be president, one way or another. It's a matter of timing. Gore is really the guy's who's on the hot seat here. He's going to have to pay for Clinton's low-rent foulness. It's like some slime, primeval slime.
It's a surreal situation when the most powerful man on earth has to argue about whether oral sex constitutes a sexual act…
HST: His position is, according to the law as he saw it at that time, and according to his Baptist upbringing, and according to his mother, he was not having sex.
Sex is for procreation, right. This kind of stuff is an abomination to the Lord, but not a sin.
He didn't have sex with her, but she had sex with him.
That's really nuts. He was a good politician, now he's a bad politician.
In that people of Middle America have seen behind the image?
HST: Yeah. Clinton's failure drags down the whole party, everybody who voted for him and everyone who cares about politics. Call yourself a Democrat, a liberal, a radical, whatever; he's wet them with tar.
The Democratic Party are not trying to save Clinton; they are trying to save themselves.
I'd just like to add, the election is in the year 2000. There will be no year 2000, just remember I told you that. There will be no point in even voting.
I ain't so disturbed by what he did, but he let the mask slip. Just like your Royal Family over there. I mean, I can identify with oral sex with a telephone, I can identify with a lot of weird shit, a lot better stuff than what he's talking about.
But you've never lied under oath have you?
HST: Exactly. I'm not discussing it every day on TV for nine straight months. It's a shit rain, that's what it is, a shit rain. I think we should get rid of him, but he can't leave before January 20th, or he will cheat Gore out of being a two-term president, ho, ho. Clinton's one of those people who stinks on the street, people run away from him. I have no sympathy for him, and I know that Starr is a Nazi.
Whatever happened to all the evidence about Whitewater?
HST: He didn't need it, that's what happened to it. It's buried in that other thousand pages. It's an ugly thing…. I believe in England you've had some wonderful scandals... Christine Keeler, Christ that was high style scandal. The difference is that those were better people, from Christine Keeler to Profumo. They were all better people than Clinton. My editor has been banging on my shoulder here, saying that we just got a copy of my novel The Rum Diary.
Yes, the novel. Why has it taken so long to present it to the public? Why now?
HST: Err, I was offered six hundred thousand dollars.
Hadn't you been offered that kind of money before?
HST: Oh well, no, err, not that much, no. I've got a lot of stuff I never sold. Every real writer has, not just a desk full, but rooms full of the stuff that wasn't sold.
Are there any more novels then?
HST: Not complete, I don't think. This one just happens to be complete. This was my Holy Grail. I was a novelist when I wrote this. This was hard work, confronting myself, what, 40 years ago? Having to edit it without changing the points of view was very strange. It's before the 60s, that's the eerie thing about it. It's before Kennedy, the end of the 50s.
Before drugs really hit - in my life, anyway. Before Kennedy, before Castro, before Cuba, before the moon walks, before, you know, missiles. It was like discovering a weird Sanskrit book from another time. I hadn't looked at it in twenty years.
I believe it was the Proud Highway, the letters book, that caused a lot of people to demand it. And suddenly I was offered money for it. I was not eager to do it, I wasn't thinking, 'Hot damn, man, finally I'll get this novel out.' But now I'm looking at it, right here in front of me, the first time I've seen it. Christ, I'm looking around me at all this stuff about Clinton and all the rest that's happening, and this novel is a very pure piece of work.
Is the Paul Kemp character your only alter ego in The Rum Diary or do some of the characters reflect…
HST: They all do, really. See when I wrote it, I was right in the middle of it, it was my reality. I made sure not to have the same Romans-a-clef kind of figures. There is nobody here who is purely anybody. But I can see parts of myself in Kemp and Yeamon. It's a really good piece of journalism, if you look at it. If you look at it as journalism, it's a classic.
The novel captures the tension that builds in a tropical climate "where men sweat twenty four hours a day", to quote The Rum Diary.
HST: Hot damn! What else do you remember, right off the top of your head, any scene that comes to mind? And thank you for that.
The beating by the police. Did that happen to you down there?
HST: Yeah, yeah, oh yes. That's why I say, if you look at it from a different angle, this could be very good journalism. You can't expect people to look at it that way, and they shouldn't, so it becomes a story. But I could call everything in this book journalism and it would probably pass.
The newspaper's editor and proprietor is a remarkable character, isn't me?
HST: Lotterman, oh yeah. We were thinking of having Jack Nicholson play Lotterman in the movie.
So a film is coming?
HST: Oh yeah, that's rolling. Nicholson would be perfect. Nobody laughs in this movie at any jokes. That's why Nicholson would be perfect. And Johnny Depp probably as Kemp. We are having fun with it. I never thought I'd get to this point, sitting around here deciding whether or not Jack Nicholson would be right for this part.
[To his editor] Ok, I'll get off.
[Back on line] I have to come to some sort of conclusion about Clinton, and I reckon he should go. It's weird; I'm living really two lives. I have in front of me here my book Better Than Sex, a very, very political book. One of the most accurate political books ever written. It's scary to read. It might have been written last week.
But I also have in front of me The Rum Diary, which is a completely different world. Very weird. I see different pictures of myself on the covers. One is a bald, Freak Power person; the other is this handsome youth drinking a beer on a beach. It's kind of funny. And I still have to deal with the president.
It's been a very long, strange journey, hasn't it?
HST: Very good, yeah [laughs].
Do you still see Johnny Depp socially?
HST: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. He's going... Well we are talking about this film, but he's been over in Paris for a long time. In fact, this is a tip for you, this is horrible, but he's going to be in London in the next few months. He's making a film with Tim Burton.
What happened with the Fear And Loathing movie when director Alex Cox came round to your place?
HST: Funny you should ask about that, we have a movie of it. Yeah, well, it's a tasty subject. Made by this famous underground filmmaker Wayne Ewing, who is right here now, helping me on this Clinton story. We were just talking about it this afternoon. It's a really heinous piece of work. Yeah, it's a documentary. It should be used in film study school to show how bad things can go when you don't approach a subject correctly.
Does it have a title? [It was eventually released as Breakfast with Hunter in 2003].
HST: Not yet, but it's the ultimate documentary. It's a piece of work and a total accident. But it's involved in various litigations, so we've kept it under wraps.
Did you like Terry Gilliam's film of Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas?
HST: Err, yeah. I like it. It's very hard to look at films in which you are literally a participant, or… and it's impossible to make any sort of judgements. Yeah, I liked it but it's not my show, but I appreciated it. Depp did a hell of a job.
You got on better with Terry Gilliam than you did with Alex Cox?
HST: Yeah, yeah, you could say that [laughs]. I had my flares with Gilliam. I hold no… Alex Cox is fine, he just happened to be at one point in time. It was a crystallised situation. I got an education in film, that's what I got on the movie. It was definitely in the small direction. Johnny is really good to work with, yeah, he's fun.
His performance was perfect for the style of the film, isn't it?
HST: Yeah, definitely. His narration is what really held the film together, I think. If you hadn't had that it would have just been a series of wild scenes. It was hard to do a movie that was as faithful as possible to the book.
There is a melancholy humour in the book that was missing from the film, but in fact it's a story about two professionals who were taking a break on the road. I was a political journalist and Oscar Acosta [Dr. Gonzo] was a very prominent lawyer.
This wasn't a bunch of bums wandering into Vegas, but that was unexplainable, so yeah, I liked it. Maybe I should eat some acid watching it. People who have read the book will watch the movie, and people who have watched the movie will read the book. Yeah. It's very hard to compare books to movies, and I don't pretend to have any of the wisdom or skill of the director. For instance, The Rum Diary is a lot easier to deal with.