Thursday, 28 November 2019

NIRVANA



BILL MOYERS: 
Do most of the stories of mythology, from whatever culture, say that suffering is intrinsically a part of life and that there’s no way around it?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
I think I’d be willing to say that they do. 
I can’t think of anything now that says if you’re going to live, you won’t suffer. 
It’ll tell you how to understand and bear and interpret suffering, that it will do. 


And when the Buddha says there is escape from suffering, the escape from sorrow is nirvana. 


Nirvana is a psychological position where you are untouched by desire and fear.

BILL MOYERS: 
But is that realistic? 
Does that happen?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
Yes, certainly.

BILL MOYERS: 
And your life becomes what?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Harmonious, well-centered and affirmative of life.

BILL MOYERS: 
Even with suffering.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
Exactly. 
There’s a passage in Paul’s Epistle to the Philippians, isn’t there? 


Be as Christ, for Christ did not think godhood something to be hung on to, to be clung to, but let go and came down and took life in the form of a servant, a servant even unto death. 


Let’s say, come in and accept the suffering, and affirm it.

BILL MOYERS: 
So you would agree with Abelard in the 12th century, who said that Jesus’ death on the cross was not as ransom paid, as a penalty applied, but it was 
an act of atonement, 
atonement at one with the race.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
That’s the most sophisticated interpretation of why Christ had to be crucified. 

Abelard’s idea was that this … oh, this is connected with the Grail King and everything else … that the coming of Christ to be crucified and illustrating thus the suffering of life, removes man’s mind from commitment to the things of this world in compassion. 

It’s in compassion with Christ that we turn to Christ, and so the injured one becomes the savior.
 
It is the suffering that evokes the humanity of the human heart.

BILL MOYERS: 
So you would agree with Abelard that mankind yearning for God and God yearning for mankind in compassion met at that cross.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
Yes. And by contemplating the cross, you are contemplating the true mystery of life. 
And that love for this experience, no matter how horrific the experience, the love for it

BILL MOYERS: 
So there’s joy and pain in love.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
Yeah, there is. 
Love, you might say, is the burning point of life, and since all life is sorrowful, so is love.
 And the stronger the love, the more that pain, but love bears all things. 
Love itself is a pain, you might say, but is the pain of being truly alive.




I Was an ARTIST, Stupid...!!



BILL MOYERS: 
So the courage to love became the courage to affirm against tradition, whatever knowledge stands confirmed in one’s own experience.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
Yeah.

BILL MOYERS: 
Why was that important in the evolution of the West?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
Well, it was important in that it gives the West this accent, as I’ve been saying, on the individual, that he should have faith in his experience, and not simply mouth terms that have come to him from other mouths. I think that’s the great thing in the West. The validity of the individual’s experience of what humanity is, what life is, what values are, against the monolithic system.

BILL MOYERS:
Was there some of this in the legend of the Holy Grail?


JOSEPH CAMPBELL:
 Yes. Wolfram has a very interesting statement about the origin of the Grail. 


He says the Grail was brought from heaven by the neutral angels. 

There was the war in heaven between God and Lucifer, and the angelic hosts that sided one group with Lucifer, and the other with God. Pair of opposites, good and evil, God and Satan. 

The Grail was brought down through the middle, the way of the middle, by the neutral angels.

BILL MOYERS: 
What is the Grail representing, then?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
Well, the Grail becomes the, what we call it, that which is attained and realized by people who have lived their own lives. So the story very briefly is of this — I’m giving it now as Wolfram gives it — but this is just one version. The Grail King was a lovely young man, but he had not earned that position. And the Grail represents the fulfillment of the highest spiritual potentialities of the human consciousness. And he was a lovely young man, and he rode forth from his castle with the war cry, “Amor!” And as he’s riding forth, a Moslem, a pagan warrior, a Mohammedan warrior, comes out of the woods, a knight. And they both level their lances at each other, they drive at each other, and the lance of the grail king kills the Mohammedan, but the Mohammedan lance castrates the Grail King.

What that means is that the Christian separation of matter and spirit, of the dynamism of life and the spiritual, natural grace and supernatural grace, has really castrated nature. And the European mind, the European life, has been as it were, emasculated by this; true spirituality, which would have come from this, has been killed. And then what did the pagan represent? He was a person from the suburbs of Eden. He was regarded as a nature man, and on the head of his lance was written the word, “Grail.” 
That is to say, nature intends the grail. Spiritual life is the bouquet of natural life, not a supernatural thing imposed upon it. 
And so the impulses of nature are what give authenticity to life, not obeying rules come from a supernatural authority, that’s the sense of the Grail.

BILL MOYERS: 
And the Grail that these romantic legends were searching for is the union once again of what had been divided? 
The peace that comes from joining?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
The grail becomes symbolic of an authentic life that has lived in terms of its own volition, in terms of its own impulse system, which carries it between the pairs of opposites, of good and evil, light and dark. Wolfram starts his epic with a short poem saying, “Every act has both good and evil results.” Every act in life yields pairs of opposites in its results. The best we can do is lean toward the light, that is to say, intend the light, and what the light is, is that of the harmonious relationships that come from compassion, with suffering, understanding of the other person. This is what the Grail is about.

BILL MOYERS: 
When we say God is love, does that have anything to do with romantic love? Does mythology ever link romantic love and God?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Well, that’s what it did do. Love was a divine visitation, and that’s why it was superior to marriage. That was the troubadour idea. If God is love, well, then, love is God, okay.

BILL MOYERS: There’s that wonderful passage in Corinthians by Paul, where he says “Love beareth all things, endureth all things.”

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Well, that’s the same business. Love knows no pain.

BILL MOYERS: And yet, one of my favorite stories of mythology is out of Persia, where there is the idea that Lucifer was condemned to hell because he loved God so much.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Yeah, and that’s a basic Muslim idea, about Iblis, that’s the Muslim name for Satan, being God’s greatest lover. Why was Satan thrown into hell? Well, the standard Story is that when God created the angels, he told them to bow to none but himself. Then he created man, whom he regarded as a higher form than the angels, and he asked the angels then to serve man. And Satan would not bow to man. Now, this is interpreted in the Christian tradition, as I recall from my boyhood instruction, as being the egotism of Satan, he would not bow to man. But in this view, he could not bow to man, because of his love for God, he could bow only to God. And then God says, “Get out of my sight.” Now, the worst of the pains of hell insofar as hell has been described is the absence of the beloved, which is God. So how does Iblis sustain the situation in hell? By the memory of the echo of God’s voice when God said, “Go to hell.” And I think that’s a great sign of love, do you agree?

BILL MOYERS: Well, it’s certainly true in life that the greatest hell one can know is to be separated from the one you love.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Yeah.

BILL MOYERS: That’s why I’ve liked the Persian myth for so long. Satan as God’s lover.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Yeah. And he is separated from God, and that’s the real pain of Satan.

BILL MOYERS: You once took the saying of Jesus. “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your father who is in heaven, for he makes the sun to rise on the evil and the good and sends rain on the just and the unjust.” You once took that to be the highest, the noblest, the boldest of the Christian teachings. Do you still feel that way?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Well, I think the main teaching of Christianity is, “Love your enemies.”

BILL MOYERS: Hard to do.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: I know, well, that’s it — I mean, when Peter drew his sword and cut off the servant’s ear there, in the Gethsemane affair, and Jesus said, “Put up your sword, Peter,” and put the ear back on, Peter has been drawing his sword ever since. And one can speak about Petrine or Christian Christianity in that sense. And I would say that the main doctrine of Christianity is the doctrine of Agape, of true love for he who is yours, him who is your enemy.

BILL MOYERS: How does one love one’s enemy without condoning what the enemy does, accepting his aggression?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: Well, I’ll tell you how to do that. “Do not pluck the mole from your enemy’s eye, but pluck the beam from your own,” do you know?

Now, I have a friend whom I met by chance, a young Buddhist monk from Tibet. You know, in 1959 the Communists crashed down and bombed the palace of the Dalai Lama, bombarded Lhasa, and people murdered and all that kind of thing. And he escaped, he escaped at the time of the Dalai Lama. And those monasteries, I mean, there were monasteries with 5,000 monks, 6,000 monks, all wiped out, tortured and everything else. I haven’t heard one word of incrimination of the Chinese from that young man. There is absolutely no condemnation of the Chinese here. And you hear this from the Dalai Lama himself. You will not hear a word of condemnation. This recognition of the way of life through which that vitality of the spirit is moving in its own way. I mean, these men are sufferers of terrific violence, and there’s no animosity. I learned religion from them.

Profiles in Mentorship : The Wise and Tutored Inner-You






“‘Don’t kill yourself trying to impress strangers, Russell, it’s not 1999,’ 
says some wise and tutored inner-me.”

Excerpt From
Mentors
Russell Brand

The Power Plant Systems Manager for Recycling Operations



(Limbo Ave. train station)
Sati: 
Are you from the Matrix?
Neo: 
Yes. No. 
I mean, I was.

Sati: 
Why did you leave?

Neo: 
I had to.

Sati: 
I had to leave my home too.













Rama-Kandra: 
Sati! Come here, darling. 
Leave the poor man in peace.

Sati: 
Yes, papa.

Rama-Kandra: 
I’m sorry, she is still very curious.

Neo: 
I know you.

Rama-Kandra: 
Yes, in the restaurant of the Frenchman. I am Rama-Kandra. 
This is my wife Kamala, my daughter Sati. 
We are most honoured to meet you.

Neo: 
You’re programs.

Rama-Kandra: 
Oh, yes. 
I’m the power plant systems manager for recycling operations. 










My wife is an interactive software programmer, she is highly creative.

Kamala: 
What are you doing here? You do not belong here.

Rama-Kandra: 
Kamala! Goodness, I apologize. 
My wife can be very direct.

Neo: 
It’s okay. I don’t have an answer. 
I don’t even know where ‘here’ is.

Rama-Kandra: 
This place is nowhere. 
It is between your world and our world.

Neo: 
Who’s the Trainman?

Rama-Kandra: 
He works for the Frenchman.

Neo: 
Why’d I know you were going to say that?

Rama-Kandra: 
The Frenchman does not forget 
and he does not forgive.

Neo: 
You know him?

Rama-Kandra: 
I know only what I need to know. 
I know that if you want to take something from our world into your world that does not belong there, you must go to the Frenchman.

Neo: 
Is that what you’re doing here?
Kamala: Rama, please!

Rama-Kandra: 
I do not want to be cruel, Kamala. 
He may never see another face for the rest of his life.

Neo: 
I’m sorry. 
You don’t have to answer that question.

Rama-Kandra: 
No. I don’t mind. 
The answer is simple. 
I love my daughter very much. 
I find her to be the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen. 
But where we are from, that is not enough. 
Every program that is created must have a purpose; if it does not, it is deleted. 
I went to the Frenchman to save my daughter. 
You do not understand.

Neo: 
I just have never…

Rama-Kandra: 
…heard a program speak of love?

Neo: 
It’s a… human emotion.

Rama-Kandra: 
No, it is a word. 
What matters is the connection the word implies
I see that you are in love. 
Can you tell me what you would give to hold on to that connection?

Neo: 
Anything.

Rama-Kandra: 
Then perhaps the reason you’re Here is not so different from the reason I’m Here.

Wednesday, 27 November 2019

Venus and Adonis


MAURICE: 
You won't be able to do it if you can't relax and let people look at you.
It's the human form, as it is, naked, 
in all of its weakness and beauty.

JESSIE: 
Oh, yeah?

MAURICE: 
What would your mother say?

JESSIE: 
She says if I weren't born, 
She'd be better off.





JESSIE: 
Is this it?

MAURICE: 
This is it.
There.
You see?

JESSIE: 
Is her name Venus?


MAURICE: 
No.


Venus is a Goddess.

Accompanied by Eros,
She creates Love and Desire in us mortals,
leading often to Foolishness and Despair.

The Usual Shit.

For most men, a woman's body is 
The Most Beautiful Thing They Will Ever See.

JESSIE: 
What's The Most Beautiful Thing
a Girl Sees?
Do you know?


MAURICE: 
Her First Child.







Are you all right?


JESSIE: 
I'm not doing any more
of that modeling, I can tell you that.

MAURICE: 
The model for Venus was a Real Woman, 
just like you, that's what caused all The Fuss.

JESSIE: 
Do a bit, then.


MAURICE: 
Now?

JESSIE: 
If you're so good at it.

MAURICE: 
"Is this a dagger which I see before me,
The handle toward my hand?
Come, let me clutch thee:
I have thee not, and yet I see thee still."
Now, tell me, who wrote that?

JESSIE:
I don't know.

MAURICE: 
Really?


JESSIE:
All right then, smart-arse, what about this?
"I should be so lucky,
lucky, lucky, lucky.
I should be so lucky."
Well? Who wrote it?

MAURICE: 
Not a clue.

JESSIE: 
Well, there you are then.

Hey, it's like A Beach down there.


MAURICE:
I Iived by The Sea when I was a child.
It always calms me.
Shall we go to The Seaside, Venus?

JESSIE: 
I'd rather go to Topshop.

MAURICE: 
(CHUCKLING)
I'll take you to Lunch.


JESSIE: 
Take me somewhere posh.


MAURICE: 
Posh?

JESSIE: 
I want to meet someone really famous, not just you.
Who are these bastards?

MAURICE: 
Some of these arseholes were very well-known.


JESSIE:
For what?

MAURICE: 
You cheer me up, you know.

JESSIE: 
You have a laugh at me, don't you?

MAURICE: 
Just a little.

JESSIE: 
I'll get you back.


MAURICE: 
You will.
Don't you worry.


BILL MOYERS: 
And what does it mean, do you think, to young boys today. 
That we are absent these myths?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL:
There was no problem in these old days. 
The boy came out with a different body, and he’d gone through something.

BILL MOYERS: 
What about the female? 
I mean, most of the figures in the temple caves arc male. 
Was this a kind of secret society for males only?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
It wasn’t a secret society, 
it was that the boys had to go through it. 
Now, we don’t know exactly what happens with the female in this period, because we have very little evidence to tell us. 
In primary cultures today, the girl becomes a woman with her first menstruation. 
It happens to her; I mean, nature does it to her. 
And so she has undergone the transformation, and what is her initiation? 

Typically it is to sit in a little hut for a certain number of days, and realise what she is.

BILL MOYERS: 
How does she do that?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
She sits there. She’s now a woman. 
And what is a woman? 

A woman is a vehicle of life, and life has overtaken her. 
She is a vehicle now of life. 

A woman’s what it’s all about; 
the giving of birth and the giving of nourishment. 

She’s identical with the earth goddess in her powers, and she’s got to realize that about herself. 

The boy does not have a happening of that kind. 
He has to be turned into a man, and voluntarily become a servant of something greater than himself.
The woman becomes the vehicle of nature; the man becomes the vehicle of the society, the social order and the social purpose.

BILL MOYERS: 
So what happens when a society no longer embraces powerful mythology?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
What we’ve got on our hands. 
As I say, if you want to find what it means not to have a society without any rituals, read The New York Times.

BILL MOYERS: 
And you’d find?

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
Well, the news of the day.

BILL MOYERS: 
Wars…

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
Young people who don’t know how to behave in a civilized society. 
Half the…I imagine that 50% of the crime is by young people in their 20s and early 30s that just behave like barbarians.

BILL MOYERS: 
Society has provided them no rituals by which they become members.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
None. There’s been a reduction, a reduction, a reduction of ritual. 
Even in the Roman Catholic Church, my God, they’ve translated the Mass out of the ritual language into a language that has a lot of domestic associations. 

So that, I mean, every time now that I read tile Latin of the Mass, I get that pitch again that it’s supposed to give, a language that throws you out of the field of your domesticity, you know. 
The altar is turned so that the priest, his back is to you, and with him you address yourself outward like that. 
Now they’ve turned the altar around, looks like Julia Child giving a demonstration, and it’s all homey and cozy.

BILL MOYERS: 
And they play a guitar.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
They play a guitar. 
Listen, they’ve forgotten what the function of a ritual is, is to pitch you out, not to wrap you back in where you have been all the time.

BILL MOYERS: 
So ritual that once conveyed an inner reality is now merely form, and that’s true in the rituals of society, and the personal rituals of marriage and religion.

JOSEPH CAMPBELL: 
Well, with respect to ritual, it must be kept alive. And so much of our ritual is dead.

The World's Angriest Boy in The World



The angry boy a bit too insane
Icing over a secret pain
You know you don't belong
You're the first to fight
You're way too loud
You're the flash of light on a burial shroud
I know something's wrong














Profiles in Mentorship : The Devil You Know


Perhaps what we most needed was a kick in our complacency, to prepare us ready for what lies ahead.



There are two kinds of stories we tell our children.


The First Kind: 

Once upon a time, there was a fuzzy little rabbit named Frizzy-Top who went on a quantum, fun adventure 

only to face a big setback, 

which he overcame through perseverance 

and by being adorable’


This kind of story teaches Empathy.


“Put yourself in Frizzy-Top's shoes”, 

in other words.



The Other Kind: 

Oliver Anthony Bird, if you get too close to That Ocean, you'll be sucked into The Sea and drowned


This kind of story teaches them Fear.


And for the rest of their lives, these two stories compete :


Empathy and Fear.


And so I bring you tonight's play, a work in five acts 

About a fuzzy little bunny,

who got too close to The Ocean and 

What Happened Next.


Let us begin.




It’s Not Safe Out Here.

It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross — but it's not for The Timid.






Q: 
You can't outrun them. 
You can't destroy them. 
If you damage them, the essence of what they are remains. 
They regenerate and keep coming. 
Eventually you will weaken, your reserves will be gone. 
They are relentless.

WORF: 
The Borg ship is firing. 
We have lost shields again.

[Engineering]

LAFORGE: 
Captain, we've just lost the warp engines.

[Bridge]

Q: 
Where's your stubbornness now, Picard, your arrogance? 

Do you still profess to be prepared for what awaits you? 

WORF: 
The Borg ship is re-establishing its tractor beam.

RIKER: 
Lock on photon torpedoes.

WORF: 
Yes, sir.

DATA: 
Without our shields, at this range there is a high degree of probability that a photon detonation could destroy the Enterprise.

RIKER: 
Prepare to fire.

(Q swaps places with Data) 

Q: 
I'll be leaving now. 
You thought you could handle it, so handle it.

PICARD: 
Q. End this.

Q: 
Moi? What makes you think I am either inclined or capable to terminate this encounter?

PICARD: 
If we all die, here, now.... you will not be able to gloat

You wanted to frighten us. 
We're frightened

You wanted to show us that we were inadequate. 
For the moment, I grant that. 

You wanted me to say 
“I need you” 

I need you! 

(With a snap of Q's fingers, the Enterprise goes whirling through space again

RIKER: 
Position.

WESLEY: 
Zero seven zero, mark six three, sir. Back where we started.

(Q swaps places with Riker


Q : 
That was a difficult admission -- 
Another Man would have been humiliated to say those words. 

Another Man would have rather died than 
Ask for Help. 

PICARD: 
I understand what you've done here, Q, 
but I think the lesson could have been learned 
without the loss of eighteen members of my crew.

Q: 
If you can't take a little bloody nose, 
maybe you ought to go back home 
and crawl under your bed

It's not safe out here. 

It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires 
both subtle and gross, 
but it's not for the timid.

(Q vanishes and everyone is back in his own seat) 

PICARD: 
Mister Crusher, set course for the nearest starbase.

WESLEY: 
Course laid in for Starbase Eighty Three, sir. 

PICARD: 
Engage.

[Ten forward]

(Guinan and Picard are playing a version of 3D chess

GUINAN: 
Q set a series of events into motion, bringing contact with the Borg much sooner than it should have come. 

Now, perhaps, when you're ready, 
it might be possible to establish a relationship with Them -- 

But for now, for right now, 
you're just raw material to them

Since they are aware of your existence...

PICARD
....They will be coming.

GUINAN: 
You can bet on it.

PICARD: 
Maybe Q did The Right Thing for The Wrong Reason.

GUINAN: 
How so?

PICARD: 
Well, perhaps what we most needed was a kick in our complacency, to prepare us ready for what lies ahead.

Profiles in Mentorship : Tribe




Jean: 
Were you scared? 
That day in DC, were you scared?

Raven: 
No. 
But I was scared on my first mission. 
I was on a plane like this with my friends. About your age. 

We called ourselves the X-Men. 

Your brother was there. 
We used to call him ‘Havoc’. 
He was a real handful, but... 
When it came down to it — he was very brave.

Kurt: 
What happened to the rest of the kids that went with you? 
The X-Men.

Hank: 
Hank and I are the only ones left. 
I couldn't save the rest of them. 
I told you, I'm not a hero.

Jean: 
Well, you're a hero to us. 
Seeing you that day on TV changed my life.

Kurt: 
Me too.

Peter: 
Me too. 
I mean, I still live in my mom's basement, but... Everything else is... 
Well, it's pretty much the same. 
I'm a total loser.





KING MOB



Third Citizen
Your name, sir, truly.

CINNA THE POET
Truly, my name is Cinna.

First Citizen
Tear him to pieces; he's a conspirator.

CINNA THE POET
I am Cinna the poet, I am Cinna the poet.

Fourth Citizen
Tear him for his bad verses, tear him for his bad verses.












“ All these people that you read and people read in schools and universities and all those people that were writing at the same time, in just about that period: in those twenty or thirty years, all these people were infected with enthusiasm for the French Revolution, and wrote about the revolutionary upsurge. Even Wordsworth in his youth used to write about the menace of gold and the power of reason. People used to talk about how reason could be used to undermine superstition; how individual working people are as good as the people who dominate them and so on and so on. And those things happened because of the French Revolution. And the French Revolution, of course, terrified people in England, particularly as it went on and developed, and as the left in the French Revolution began to seize power and consolidate it.

           And what happened in the British ruling class was a great terror took them, seized them with terror. They were terrified that the Jacobin ideas, the revolutionary ideas, the ideas of reason as opposed to superstition would start to grip people in Britain. And therefore, they moved troops into the cities, and they unleashed the most terrible repression right across the whole country. All different kinds of spies were put into the cities; put into workplaces in order to detect whether or not there was any evidence of any Jacobin or revolutionary ideas of one kind or another.
Commemoration to the 1819 Peterloo Massacre in Manchester.
Commemoration to the 1819 Peterloo Massacre in Manchester.

           And Shelley developed in that atmosphere. 







This is the point even at Eton where he refused to take part in the fagging[38]operation. Even at Oxford where he challenged the rights of people to tell him whether he should believe in God or not. Those ideas developed in his mind because of the French Revolution. And what comes out of all his poetry? 

The first thing that comes out of all his poetry is a deep, intense hatred and contempt for authority. For people who put themselves in authority without any responsibility for the people over whom they put themselves in authority. A contempt for those who have become masters of other people, not because the people have chosen them but as a result either of some superstition or most of all because of their wealth. All of his poetry is about that. 





Queen Mab, which is the poem that he wrote when he was eighteen, bursts with rage and fury at all the drones, the sycophants, the parasites and the people who were in charge. I can’t read these poems out to you in full. I might one day have to have a meeting about eight or nine hours long, and then all these poems can be read out in full. 


But the whole purpose of this meeting is to get you to go back and get hold of Queen Mab and read it—particularly the central cantos. It’s a story of a young woman asleep and a faerie coming from above, a great spirit coming and taking her so that she can look upon the world. He takes her right out into the stratosphere so that she can look down upon the world and see all the things that go on: all the kings and priests and statesmen and parasites that operate there.



The whole of his poetry bursts out in rage. All the way through his life, he couldn’t stand the idea of illegitimate authority.





           And then there is his greatest poem of all: The Mask of Anarchy, the poem that he wrote about the massacre at Peterloo in 1819 when the trade unionists who were meeting in the fields outside Manchester were mowed down by the yeomanry on the orders of the local magistrate.

           Shelley wrote in this poem about the Tory government that was in power at that time; about Castlereagh, the Foreign Secretary; about Sidmouth the Home Secretary; about Eldon, the Lord Chancellor.[39] He wrote about these people in language which is so furious and so simple that it has come down to us all the way through the ages. Quoting Mask of Anarchy:

"And the little children, who

Round his feet played to and fro,

Thinking every tear a gem,

 Had their brains knocked out by them.

 Clothed with the Bible, as with light,

 And the shadows of the night,

 Like Sidmouth, next, Hypocrisy

 On a crocodile rode by.

 And many more Destructions played

 In this ghastly masquerade,

 All disguised, even to the eyes,

 Like Bishops, lawyers, peers, or spies.”[40]

 
“I met Murder on the way—

He had a mask like Castlereagh—

Very smooth he looked, yet grim;

Seven blood-hounds followed him:

All were fat; and well they might

Be in admirable plight,

For one by one, and two by two,

He tossed them human hearts to chew

Which from his wide cloak he drew.

Next came Fraud, and he had on,

Like Eldon, an ermined gown;

His big tears, for he wept well,

Turned to mill-stones as they fell.

           He hated the whole damn lot of them. Every single one of them that fell into any one of those categories or any other category which are parasitical, in one way or another, upon the working people. He loathed and hated them. The whole of his poetry reeks with that hatred. But the other point is this: that it wasn’t just a simple hatred of authority. He understood the reasons for that authority—he understood the central cause of that authority.”


“And I should say this, just in case anyone thinks at any stage that I think Shelley was a saint or a marvelous creature that was blameless in his own life or in his writings. Nothing could be further from the truth. For example, that little bit of drivel and doggerel that I quoted earlier about the kisses and the seductions. That type of thing runs through not only his poetry but also through a lot of his life. I think from time to time, and the fellow was prepared to “help himself,” he wasn’t prepared to assume responsibility. It was easy enough for him to say: “the answer is separation,”[59] but the problem is, do both parties want to be separated?—that often is the problem. And he didn’t always apply his mind to that, in the terms of the equality of people. And therefore, I think that when you look at his life, and the way he lived his life, there is none of the perfection and the stringency of the ideals that appear in his poetry.[60] And although there is some of it in his life, he certainly doesn’t live up to it.

          But the point really is this, that the poetry and the writings and the things that he believed in, were there. There is a guide and a marker as to how people should determine their lives and how people could determine their lives if society wasn’t founded on constraint right the way through—all those economic restraints and domestic constraints that exist. And then people say, and they say it often with a lot of justifications, that there is a lot of talk about Shelley as a great revolutionary poet that doesn’t fit the facts; it doesn’t fit a lot of the things that Shelley wrote about. There were many, many aspects of Shelley’s writing, which appear to us to be quite crudely reformist, revisionist, if you want to use that kind of language, or even elitist if you want to use that kind of language. But there’s a whole number of things that he wrote, which indicate a rather different kind of approach when compared to the one that I have been talking about. Can I find it?
An early printing of Shelley's  Prometheus Unbound.
An early printing of Shelley's Prometheus Unbound.

          What he wrote in the Preface was that he was interested in reform and change in society. And he said he wanted to write only for an educated and intelligent group of people so that they can understand his intentions.[61] There’s a whole lot of his writing which talks about the dangers of the mob and dangers of doing things too fast. For example: the pamphlet that I mentioned earlier, A Philosophical View of Reform, and another one very similar to it which he wrote in 1817 called A Proposal for Putting Reform to the Vote. As a matter fact in these writings, Shelley comes out against universal suffrage, against the thing which many other reformers were advocating; reformers who were much less revolutionary in my opinion than Shelley. He comes out against universal suffrage on the ground that no one wants to move too fast, that you can’t be quite sure about what the mob will do because they are not educated people and they’re not intelligent or sensitive people and they might make nonsense of universal suffrage and therefore, we ought to be careful about it.

          And it is no good talking about Shelley in an idealistic or utopian matter—hagiography, writing about the man as though everything that he said fitted into the proper Socialist Workers Party line. In fact a lot of things go right against the kinds of things that I’ve been supporting. How can such clearly contradictory ideas such as those he espouses in the Preface to Prometheus Unbound, for example opposing universal suffrage, how can they be reconciled with the rest of his radical philosophy. Let me put it this way: a number of people, and particularly people who come to the revolutionary cause out of the ruling classes—a species, with which I have some familiarity[62]—people such as this are like Shelley, who was all his life, or most of his life, very much isolated from the working people about whom he wrote and for whom he wanted to change the world. Such people, according to the degree to which they’re isolated from the working class, can have a “fear of the mob.”[63]

          Now, I don’t know, but there may be one or two people here that have not read a novel by George Eliot[64] called Felix Holt. Now, some people have boils and some people have piles, and that’s very unfortunate. And some people haven’t read Felix Holt and that is also unfortunate [laughter]. The good news is that you can put that right. You can read it; but you don’t have to tell anyone that you haven’t read it before, and you can read it and pretend you read it ten years ago [laughter]. I know that’s what most you should have done because it’s a marvelous novel, a wonderful radical novel. 

          Felix Holt is about a man who is perhaps the nicest man ever written about in the whole of literature. You can’t help reading Felix Holt without feeling a fantastic affection for him. He was lovely. Everybody loved him. He wanted to change the world. He wanted to be with the workers, and he didn’t like all the hypocrisy of the society, and he was wonderful. There was one thing about him and there is also one thing about George Eliot, and that was they both had this “fear of the mob”; uncertainty about unleashing the mob. The same uncertainty Shelley expresses in A Philosophical View Reform.  Shelley was uncertain about universal suffrage and had debates with Willian Godwin about universal suffrage. Godwin being a Methodist minister was in favour of universal suffrage. Like Felix Holt, Shelley was afraid of the mob. And if there is one nightmare, the traditional nightmare of the bourgeois novelist or poet, or for that matter the average Labour Member of Parliament [laughter], it is the nightmare of the mob in action. There is a passage in Felix Holt I want to point out. It is a Saturday, and he’s sitting there thinking about his ideas, and he realizes there is an election underway and that there is a riot[65] [laughter]!  He thinks, “Oh my God, there’s a riot!,” and he leaves home to keep the people in check, and he talks to them about what they should do. But a lot of people are stampeding, demanding and picketing, and kicking Clive Jenkins in the balls[66] [laughter] and all that kind of thing. Shouting down Albert Booth.[67] All these things are happening and he’s telling the people, “For god’s sake, watch it, don’t do it. You can’t do this! It’s the mob!” And he’s standing there and here come the yeomanry, and they shoot him because they think he’s the leader [laughter]!
An early edition of Eliot’s  Felix Holt: The Radical , first published in 1866.
An early edition of Eliot’s Felix Holt: The Radical, first published in 1866.

            That’s the terror of every bourgeois radical. That's the nightmare that they have: they wake up sweating in the night [laughter]. All the Labour MPs, all the reformers, they wake up and think, “My god, have we unleashed the mob by what we’re doing? [Laughter.] Shelley! You’re preparing the sea of blood! Remember what Godwin said? Perhaps that’s what’s gonna happen. The mob! We’ve got to watch out for the mob! The mob aren’t intelligent!” And all these prejudices sank in to the ruling class mind, that sensitive, intelligent and ruling class mind, the one that doesn’t go along with his class’ ideology. But then that sort of person comes to some other ideology, some reforming or radical ideology, and then he finds he’s worried about what he unleashes. Just like the people who 40 years later read Felix Holt. Nice, radical bourgeois people read George Eliot, read Felix Holt and thought oh it’s the nightmare! The mob, the election riot and Holt who is shot through the shoulder and then put in prison, by the way, for leading the riot in the first place[68] [laughter].

          And that sort of idea is in some of Shelley. People aren’t—they aren’t perfect. And they don’t have ideas which are pure. And there’s some part of Shelley all the time forging its way out, here and there, in some of his poems. You know, there’s a passage in The Mask of Anarchy where he says the answer to violent oppression is to fold your arms when the yeomanry come next time.[69] He’s talking about the people that had been mowed down at Peterloo, women and children, murdered at Peterloo. And he says, “next time, fold your arms resolutely, thinking about the laws of England, the good old laws of England. Stand there and talk about the law of England, and stand there and let them mow you down and then maybe everything will be all right but whatever you do, don’t unleash yourself.”

          And that was one part of him. Of course, there was another side of him, the side that I talked about already, the side of him that says, “Yes. You’ve got to get them [laughter]. You’ve got to move and get them.[70]” There are two sides to his personality, constantly coming out. 

          Shelley wrote a whole series of letters to a woman called Elizabeth Hitchener when he was a young man. He had a long correspondence with her. And I’ll just read out one section of it but this is typical of his other side, a side that was different from the reformist side, the side that was worried about the mob. There was another side to him as well. Shelley wrote: “They may seethe and they may riot, and they may sin at the last moment. The groans of the wretched may pass unheeded till the latest moment of this infamous revelry (of the rich), till the storm burst upon them and the oppressed take ruinous vengeance on their oppressors.”[71] “Ruinous vengeance”? What the hell is that? That’s Felix Holt saying exactly what you shouldn’t do! [laughter]. In Shelley’s poem Swellfoot the Tyrant, which is a wonderful poem, which has been sneered at by a lot of people who think it isn’t funny,[72] what he has, is a lot of pigs. [laughter]. The pigs are snorting away and doing everything they are told and then suddenly the pigs turn into people and all the oppressors, all the priests and the parasites and speculators and industrialists and people of that kind and commercialists, they turn into pigs. And the pigs turn into people. And then you have a fantastic scene at the end of the poem in which he has the pigs driven out and killed. What happened to all this talk that you must never take people’s lives, that you mustn’t be a retributionist and you mustn’t seek revenge?[73] And then he goes completely out of school, and now he’s ultra-left in his attitude to what they should do to the pigs[74]: get them out, drive them out, pin them down and stick them in the back! Anything! Just get them! When Shelley is aroused to fury by what he sees going on around him, you see a very different attitude to violence.

          And really it comes to a climax, this division, this contrast between the way in which he thought about revolutions and oppressions and the mob: all these things come to a climax when he writes Prometheus Unbound. Now that’s a very difficult poem to read. I have lots of people who’ve come up to me since we had the meeting at Skegness[75] last year and they say, “Well, I tried to read this thing, this Prometheus Unbound, but it is very difficult to read.” And so it is. It is very difficult to read. But the most important thing about it in my view, is that it brings that contradiction—between his fear of the mob and the need for revolution—to a head and forces it through to some kind of conclusion.




          And this is the story of Prometheus. I was a Greek scholar. I’ll admit it [laughter]. I was a Greek scholar at school. I was very, very good at Greek; we didn’t have to be good at anything else. And, well, I’m not actually all that good at it [laughter]. But anyways, I was a Greek scholar, and we were taught this about Prometheus[76]: we were taught that it was a Greek legend. And it was simply this: that there was a man, Prometheus, who dared to say that Jupiter was not god of the Earth. We were taught this was an absolute scandal, and that Prometheus was a really revolting, subversive figure. And he was treated in a way in which subversive figures ought to be treated. He defied Jupiter, he dared to invent fire, and he had the idea that the science of this invention might advance the cause of mankind instead of advancing the cause of Jupiter. Jupiter’s view was that the science was really a radical idea in the first place, that we would be better off without science of any kind in order that his rule could be more secure. But Prometheus disobeyed Jupiter, invented fire and gave science to humanity and he was treated in a way in which all naughty school boys ought to be treated, which is to be chained to a rock for seven million years [laughter]. And every evening a vulture came and gnawed out his liver which would grow again by the following morning and then the vulture would come again and gnaw it out again. And it was extremely painful. I understand the Turkish authorities in Cyprus are looking into this form of dealing with recalitrants of one kind or another [laughter].




          And the whole thing was taught to us in that way. The original story was written, as a matter of fact, by a man called Aeschylus and it was called Prometheus Bound and Prometheus Unbound.[77] And he did have an idea about how people should rebel against authority. But we were not taught that. I read the whole bloody thing in Greek.[78] I never came to that conclusion; I never even started to come to that conclusion. But anyways, there we are. Here is a man in revolt against authority and he’s chained to a rock.





          Shelley writes a poem about this man chained to the rock and how his lover Asia seeks to get him off the rock. He represents oppressed mankind. Now Asia loved militants. Richard Holmes, whose book is the only one worth reading on the subject,[79] describes her love as militant. She is trying to get him out of there. That’s the point: how the hell do you get him out of there? What do you do to get him out of that situation?[80]





It’s very interesting the way in which critics write about Prometheus Unbound. Because there is another character in this play; in this play/poem.[81] Prometheus Unbound contains some of the most beautiful poetry ever written in the whole history of English literature. But you have here another character called Demogorgon.[82] But what is Demogorgon? You can read all the books you want. You can try looking him up in the index. Everybody discusses it. Who is this Demogorgon? They tell you it is a spirit, some kind of weird thing that Asia goes to and appeals to, to help her save Prometheus. You see her man is in trouble [laughter]. And in the same way you would go to an altar or to some deity and say: “now who can help me save my man” [laughter].

          But actually the original Greek actually assists us here. Because the word “Demogorgon,” as I understand it and as Richard Holmes understands it and as no one else has yet understood it [laughter], comes from two words in Greek: demos, that means “the people” and gorgon, which means “the monster.” He is the “people monster” [laughter].

          Now where does Asia go to save Prometheus? She goes to the “people monster.” She goes down to his cave in Act 2, Scene 4 of Prometheus Unbound which is one of the most fantastic passages in the whole of literature. I am going to find this even if it takes me half an hour to find it. I bloody well got to find this. Act 1 is extremely difficult to read and I don’t blame anyone who doesn’t read it and if I were you I would go straight to Act 2, Scene 4 [laughter]. Quoting Prometheus Unbound:[83]

“Act 2, Scene 4—The Cave of Demogorgon. Asia and Panthea.

            Panthea: What veiléd form sits on that ebon throne?

            Asia: The veil has fallen.

            Panthea:         I see a mighty darkness

              Filling the seat of power, and rays of gloom

              Dart round, as light from the meridian sun.

              — Ungazed upon and shapeless; neither limb,

              Nor form, nor outline; yet we feel it is

              A living Spirit.

            Demogorgon: Ask what thou wouldst know.

            Asia: What canst thou tell?

            Demogorgon:              All things thou dar’st demand.

             Asia: Who made the living world?

             Demogorgon:              God.

             Asia:                                        Who made all

              That it contains? thought, passion, reason, will,

              Imagination?

            Demogorgon:              God: Almighty God.

 Asia: Who made that sense which, when the winds of Spring

              In rarest visitation, or the voice

              Of one belovéd heard in youth alone,

              Fills the faint eyes with falling tears which dim

              The radiant looks of unbewailing flowers,

              And leaves this peopled earth a solitude

              When it returns no more?

            Demogorgon:              Merciful God.

            Asia: And who made terror, madness, crime, remorse,

              Which from the links of the great chain of things,

              To every thought within the mind of man

              Sway and drag heavily, and each one reels

              Under the load towards the pit of death;

              Abandoned hope, and love that turns to hate;

              And self-contempt, bitterer to drink than blood;

              Pain, whose unheeded and familiar speech

              Is howling, and keen shrieks, day after day;

              And Hell, or the sharp fear of Hell?

            Demogorgon:              He reigns.

            Asia: Utter his name: a world pining in pain

              Asks but his name: curses shall drag him down.”

And Asia whips him with agitation, whips him with it. She asks a simple question first: “Is it God who done it? Well, then, what about all the dirty things that are going on? What are you gonna do about that?” All the way through this passage she is whipping him and agitating him.

“Asia: Whom calledst thou God?

          Demogorgon: I spoke but as ye speak,

            For Jove is the supreme of living things.

           Asia: Who is the master of the slave?”

Asking the question, “who is the master of the slave?” And on and on and on until she says:

            “Prometheus shall arise

            Henceforth the sun of this rejoicing world:

            When shall the destined hour arrive?”
Richard Holmes, author of  Shelley: The Pursuit.
Richard Holmes, author of Shelley: The Pursuit.

          And what happens after all of her agitation, her constant agitation?  What happens after Asia demands that Demogorgon bring new ideas to her that he come out of his old religious superstitions and backward ideas, his old racist ideas? What happens? What happens is that two cars emerge out of the cave. Two cars representing change, representing the powers that are going to go after Jupiter and who? deal with him. In one way or another, they’re going to deal with him. I’m not gonna read that out to you. I’ll leave that for you to read. But what I will read is Richard Holmes’ description of what those two cars mean, what they represent. And here is the synthesis, if you like, the coming to grips with the problems that he had all his life about the masses. Would the masses respond and what would happen if they did? What was the problem of the mob? All these things. [Quoting Holmes]:

“There are two chariots mentioned: the one that brings Demogorgon to Jupiter is undoubtedly terrible and violent: Jupiter, authoritarian government, is to be overwhelmed by massive force, and the process in society is to be like a volcanic eruption and an earthquake which “ruins” cities. The etymological reading is surely relevant here. It is the eruption of ‘Demogorgon,’ the ‘people monster.’

         Yet there is also the second chariot with its “delicate strange tracery,” and its gentle charioteer with “dove-like eyes of hope.” This is the chariot which carries Asia and Panthea back to Prometheus, and it seems to indicate that political freedom transforms man’s own nature and substitutes an ethic of love for the ideology of revenge and destruction represented by Prometheus’s curse. The end of Act II leaves both those possibilities open historically. Revolution will come, but how it will come depends on man himself. There are always two chariots. In either case it is inevitable, and it is to be celebrated.”[84]
From the 1813  Queen Mab  edition published by Shelley himself. Foot no doubt has a beautifully bound copy from a later time.
From the 1813 Queen Mab edition published by Shelley himself. Foot no doubt has a beautifully bound copy from a later time.

         Now we don’t say that it is inevitable. But the point is this: that in either case the synthesis there, the dialectic if you like, of the argument about the mob—that the mob might go and supersede itself—is really met in that great passage there. Everyone says that it is the greatest passage ever, but nobody understands what it’s about! They don’t understand what’s going on in his head because they have separated Shelley from his ideas. They don’t understand what the imagery is about. They say: “this is a very beautiful passage; learn it off by heart and shut up.” If you ask any questions they’ll tell you: “Demogorgon, yes that’s all very interesting, Demogorgon’s rather like Mary, the mother of Jesus, that’s the sort of creature Demogorgon is.” They unleash all kinds of fanciful ideas about what Demogorgon stands for.[85] But the fact of the matter is, that you do have a synthesis there coming out of the dialectic of the argument. The fact of the matter is that when you rise up, you can have civil war, bloody revolution and all kinds of violence on the one hand. On the other hand, if you’re strong enough, powerful and forceful enough, you can do it by cutting down on the amount of violence and do it with that gentle “dove-eyed charioteer.”[86] Either way, probably, if the truth be known, it will be a mixture of both. But either way it is to be celebrated. Either way it has to be supported. And the point about Shelley is this: that although there is his statement about writing for elites that aren’t gonna do the job,[87] there is no conclusive proof that whenever he came to test the two ideas.[88] that he came out on that side.[89] There is no evidence at all for this. You read for instance Stephen Spender. Oh, Stephen Spender [laughter]. Stephen Spender, you know, that old Stalinist hack from the thirties who couldn’t even bear to be a Stalinist and who gave that up and then just sort of driveled on in the Times Literary Supplement. And he writes that there’s lots of proof that Shelley at the end of his life gave up his revolutionary ideals.That’s not what happened at all. Prometheus Unbound was written right at the end of his life. There are also all the great poems of 1819 including The Mask of Anarchy and other shorter poems including one that starts off, “An old mad, blind, despised and dying king.”[90] That’s not the line of a man who’s giving up the struggle. His attacks on the Castlereagh administration comes right at the end of his life. Those things happened. And the people that understand Shelley, understand that he would have gone on to develop these themes. The tragedy is that he did die when he did, otherwise he would have gone on to develop his ideas among the rising working-class movement that was taking place.