And I feel like so much
of The Feminine-pain
is because we don't —
We're never held, you know?
And so The Feminine
needs A Container,
a place to release.
And so for The Pain
that a lot of Women are
experiencing right now,
if I have to hold everything
together, and I wish there was
A Man who was more powerful
and strong than me, but I can't find it,
How Do We cope with that Pain?
T.S. :
.... Don't stop looking --
I would really say that, like,
Don't stop looking.
It's not a thing. It's not going
to be a thing to cope with it
for Women. That's what
I want Women to get.
Like, this is if we want
to be proactive about it,
then it's about really Helping Men step
into Masculinity. It's about not giving up
on The Vision that we can hold, strongly,
for Men, because Men need
advocates for Their Masculinity.
And we can absolutely be that.
And there —There's no other Answer,
because for us to just
be like, "You know what?
“I'm going to go against
my own nature, as A Female,
who definitely thrives within
Masculine-containment….?
I'm just going to go against it,
and try to become okay without
a thing that I need?”
It's bizarre, and It's --
you can feel that there's, like,
something very backwards
about that that there's supposed to be a kind of
Calling into The Empowerment
from both Masculine and Feminine kind of towards each other, almost like in a Figure-8 pattern and if we don't really step into that, then we're voting for a future that we don't even want to step into to be honest. I know that when we're in pain, we're like, "Give me a button.
Somebody give me a button that
I can push where I don't need this."
Like, “Nor do I want it, and I'm fine with my cat.”
But, um, I think at some level, we all know that
this is not in alignment. So, we're being asked as women to really hold something within our beings that doesn't perfectly exist in the world as it is today.
That being said, having traveled the world, there are definitely, like I said, like you've figured out yourself, there are places where there are more or less degrees of alignment.
You know, it's great if we can all get on an airplane. Not all of us can. It's great if we could all get on an airplane and go to these places and send men to these places. I also feel like as we're
on here talking to you women to women, hi guys. There are there've got to be men that step in to this position of calling men into power. the brotherhood
secondtoday needs to be something that is happening. So, I honestly feel like it's men's groups that are going to be doing the biggest work on the world right now in terms of pulling men back into masculinity. Like, we can hold what we're holding in our vision for them and really encourage them to be stepping into their empowered masculine, but at the end of the day, the people who hold the container for the masculine is other men.
Same with the the ones that will be holding them accountable, which is critical, and teaching them those lessons about this is what we do in this
scenario. This is how we show up. This is how you rise up to pressure. That's men. So, this is my call out. Absolutely.
To to men who are wanting to help other men do this.
And I feel it's shifting even what we consider masculine as women. So, I remember when I first became single, we were messaging like, "Oh, no, I'm
dating." And in my mind, like most women, I'm like, I need a man who is the alpha man. I need a man who makes more money than me. Hypergamy, right? That's
all women are kind of conditioned to want someone better than them at all of the things. And I would meet men maybe
who made more money than me or more whatever, but the emotional connection there was wasn't there. And it wasn't helping me become more of who I want to
be. And I feel like with AI, there's a huge shift of what genuine masculinity is. are the men who can work with their
bodies. Like, let's bring back the farmers. Let's bring back the people who can build things. Like, and maybe those
aren't the people who are making the most money in society, but I'm seeing so many of my friends feel so much more met
by a man who can be like, I can like make the baby crib and grow our food and things like that that are like the
actual genuine masculine qualities that we are craving, but our society has made us think, oh, him acquiring money to get those things. But it's like it's so not
sexy that a guy can't do anything and just wants to pay someone to do it.
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We we in our hearts desire that like servitude of his hand made even I feel like cooking is a quite masculine thing like to take these ingredients and make it like I love a man who cooks. So I'm a fan now of [laughter] bring back farmers.
One of the things you're recognising is that there are so many expressions of masculinity that the tragedy in today's world is that we've reduced everything to provider financial provider
providership which is really just about the world wanting to plug people into the system so that they can feed into the system. So yeah, usually when women
let go of the idea that that it only works in this one capacity and they really sit down and are and are like, "Okay, well, what really is it that I'm
wanting a man to be doing? And what is it that I'm willing to maybe do a workaround on as long as I have
those things, the more creative we can get at that, the easier it is for us to find a person who's genuinely right for us." And it's so much more the case,
too, with women who are successful. Man, that should be its own little episode of ours, by the way, because I Please, I wish that somebody had warned
me before I got successful about what it would do to my love life. Let me tell you what.
So, what's your theory now on on the best? Because you were saying power couples don't exist. They don't work. You still agree with that. And so, do you feel the dynamic is powerful woman with a more um no subman, but like how would you describe it?
The way that I would describe it is there's many ways that a man can contain a female, right? You've got you've described that physical containment, right? The
I've got you in life in a physical level is something that men can offer that experience of containment with sexual dynamics. You can play with containment and things like that.
Um, it's about this whole thing works when a guy shifts his mentality away from
servitude to caretaking.
secondThat's the dynamic that I watch working with successful women. Like if like let's pretend I'm the guy, right? I meet you, you're a successful woman, maybe times more so than than I'm going to be.
And I know that if I put my nose to the grindstone and I do a whole bunch of stuff like the likelihood of me making
more money than you or getting more reach than you is probably zero or if it is a lot, it's going to take me years.
No matter what, what I'm looking at as a man with you is this situation where like there's going to be a gap. So my thought
as a man coming into this relationship is, okay, well, what is it that this woman needs?
Because if I if I kind of level up like that and I go, I may not be able to do that the best that I can do, but what I can do is pull all this other pressure
off of her. And when they rise up like that, it they don't feel like they're minions anymore. It doesn't feel like they're subs anymore.
It feels like, "Hey babe, I made you this."
Why?
Why?
It's not like I --
Let's use a pet analogy because it actually works quite well: If I get A Dog and I'm feeding The Dog, I don't feel like I'm in service to The Dog, like a little minion, do I?
No.
I feel like I am taking ownership of The Dog.
It's a weird mentality thing that tends to happen with Men when they come into relationships with more Successful, or Successful Women where they're all of a sudden underneath.
It doesn't actually have to be that way.
The minute that they shift that mindset to "I am I'm in charge of the well-being of this creature that is in front of me, this unique Woman who's in front of me -- I am in charge of her well-being."
And they're out ahead of her.
This dynamic flips like this. It doesn't matter how much money that they are or are not making.
And a lot of Women when they really they do the math, they're like, "Okay, yes, I'm in reality --
Do I want this guy to go focus on making as much money as he possibly can if it means he's pulling his.... he's dividing his attention away from me?" No, probably.
Okay. So, a lot of Women would
be like, "You know what?
I'm willing to keep doing this.
What's making it hard is I feel like
I'm just so uncared-for."
Why Community and Touch Are the Real MedicineIt's like I I have to go film this thing, but then like
afterwards there's nobody to catch me and be like, "Hey babe, here's this.
Let's go do that." You know, there's nobody to really pull me into the joy of life or anything like that. But um that's how to flip the dynamic around
for most successful women is to get a guy get a guy that's basically either in that mentality or help a guy to be in
that mentality. I spent so much of my life doing this now, helping men to be in that mentality around women. And it's difficult because they've got so much
programming against it. Just just so much they they're getting it from all sides, you know?
It's so true. And even like letting them in on maybe things that we considered feminine that we don't do. For example, I honestly never cook. I don't have
time. It's just not worth my opportunity cost, especially as a Capricorn, you know. And so for this person I he was like, "Oh, you have an amazing kitchen
and this." I'm like, "Yeah." He was like asking me questions. Where are your spices? Where are your this? I'm like, "Honestly, I don't even own any of those things." And that gave him such a sense
of like, "Oh my god." So, I'm going to make this and and this and that and like and I it turned me on so much. I'm like, I freaking love this because this
actually is a need in my life that makes me feel so cared for. Even though traditionally it's like woman cooks, man works, but I'm like, I I love what I'm doing. And he genuinely loves to cook.
And I'm like, this is so hot. [laughter] I feel there's the pain of maybe not having that perfect person of your list,
but then there's the pain of staying alone by yourself forever. And I feel a lot of women have to eventually make that decision of, am I just going to
keep waiting? And maybe this person shows up in my life, but it might be another , , or never years that it happens. And I don't feel humans are
fundamentally meant to live alone. Would you say a lot of the pain is just from that? Yeah. No, we're not meant to be
secondlike we are right now in these extreme levels of isolation. And and when I say live alone, that's the thing. Like it's
about having somebody to live life with you. We may have a whole bunch of friends, but they're we're not really in life with them. We're not doing life
together. And human beings are not meant to be in that position. Absolutely not. We will feel fundamental sense of ache.
we'll be carrying especially in today's world full of so many pressures that it's a complexity level that one person can't manage it you just yeah there's
it's it's bad for our health superbly bad for our health we need to be going in a different direction
so I know you live in community and we've kind of been speaking about how humans aren't meant to live alone so something that my best friend and I did
we both went through breakups similar times and we decided to just live together and travel together and It was so nourishing to just have someone who's
like a builtin hey do you want to grab dinner or let's watch this movie and be intentional about your time cuz I
secondnoticed when I was by myself I would just I don't know be on my phone or just be sad and waiting for life to start and
just having one other person makes you like hey let's do this craft together and like set activities rather than this
I don't know floundering period we were always in when we're alone. So would you say that that's a good suggestion for people?
Yes, it is. Yeah, I'm actually there are some countries that are starting to implement these communal living situations for this very reason and I
absolutely love them. I think it's the wave of the future.
So yeah, I mean if if you're not if you don't have a partner, like why limit yourself to just one type of relationship? There's plenty of people that can live life with you that are not
necessarily that single opposite sex or same sex if you're um if you're into a homosexual
relationship people. I think we get very locked in on my one romantic partner is like the only person that I can live life with and it's not true. Like you were basically conditioned in the industrial era to think that way.
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But that's a like I said that's a blink of the eye in terms of history. For the vast majority of the rest of our existence as a species, we have been group livers.
And I feel like the pain just doesn't hit as deeply when there's someone else present. Like you just don't go into those same portals.
Exactly. It doesn't. And there and also we can never underestimate the amount of resources that other people bring to us.
It's crazy. What I mean by that is it's information resources. It's cool things we would never have tried or tasted.
It's other people that they know that we don't know yet. It's like the second that you have somebody in your life want just add one more person. It's like
their entire network of information and exposure and everything is coming into our space. And so that really does
assist us when we're going through struggles because they have the different way of looking at things, the different practice, uh the different suggestion, the different way of dealing
secondwith things. The person they know that we may need at that time. I mean, it's just crazy. The people who I'm watching flounder the most are the ones that are are isolated.
I saw this post recently and it said how humans were not meant to go days, weeks, months without being touched. How touch is so essential for us.
There were all these comments saying it's been years since I've gotten a hug. Absolutely not.
No, I'm sorry. Like we're very much monkeys in that way. We are designed to be being touched like all the time. And I I will say something that's
interesting because I'm a person who had to be rehabbed relative to touch. I'm one of those people who had like such an abusive past that when I first got
around people just the idea of being touched, especially the idea of being touched by a woman was like I I don't want it near me. Like my whole body would tense up. But what has happened
over the years is that you know my the people around me I have come from very affectionate cultures. Like you said the Brazilians for example, you were around them and they're very touchy, right?
Some of the people who came into my community were very touchy people. And what started to happen is I would just sort of instead of just
jumping away from it, I would let them sort of stroke my arm or like do massages. And over time, I have completely rehabilitated. And now my
favorite touch that I get actually is not even from a masculine partner. It's from some of the women that are in this
community. It's like heaven to feel safe enough with somebody that it's like, you know, they come and sit down next to you. Maybe you're like hanging by the
pool and they come sit next to you and they're just like running their fingers through your hair. I my whole body now is just like, "Oh my god, now that is
actually way more healthy for human beings is to have a lot of touch with a lot of people." And it doesn't have to mean what it
means. You know what I mean? Even if you are a kind of person who wants to limit your sexuality to one person, which is fine if that's something that you want to do with somebody, there's so much
touch that can be available between people and it's all so nourishing and it's all just feeding us so much. And I
I really do wish that people understood how much they need touch and how much contact comfort is literally everything for our species.
Similarly to you, woman touching me, I was raised, my mom would say that's lesbian. if I was too close to a friend, oh that's lesbian, that's less because
Persians definitely have a homophobic culture. And so anytime a girl would like hug me, I would like kind of put my
arm straight and like wait for it to be done.
And my friends would tell me, they're like, "Oh, you're so not a touchy person." I'm like, "I don't know. I just I just don't like it." But then the only time I would be touched at all is if I was in a relationship.
And so if I wasn't in a relationship, I was completely touchdeprived. And after my divorce, I was, you know, in the celibacy for a long time. Just I was so
not ready to bring in more potential heartbreak into my life. But maybe like a year and a half went by that I really
Chapter Teal's Pain Vault and How It Works
wasn't touched, right? Except maybe like massage, like a massage therapist. And I realized so much of my pain and my grief
was probably like hormonal and biochemical just because my body has gone through a huge withdrawal of touch.
Yes. Absolutely. That makes my heart go.
And now for our birthdays. Um, so for our birthdays, sometimes we will do something that a woman lie, the woman whose birthday it is will lie in the
middle and we'll all place our hands on her, put rose petals on her, stroke her hair, touch her arm, and say beautiful
words to her like just things that we see in her, angel, queen, warrior, s goddess.
And to just receive that and it's so ner feels like baby angels around you all the time. And it's like we women need that. We need each other. We can give
each other this type of like genuine heart-c centered love that doesn't come with the but you might leave thing that can often happen in relationships.
secondExactly. Yeah.
So right now you created a pain vault which is a series of meditations based on these really creative ways like working with fire energy of releasing pain. Can you tell us more about this?
Yeah. Well, the basically this pain vault is two things. First thing is it's
a group of guided experiences. You can compare them to guided meditations, but I'm I'm calling them like guided experiences because they're very very
specific experiences with your pain and different many different ones. And I've designed eight novel ones specifically
for the time that we're in right now where people are with their pain. Two of them I have already designed in years past that are all stars that I'm bringing into this vault because they're
important ones. So each one of these experiences does different things. So for example, I'll just give you like a
quick example. One of them would be an exercise where you're led in the direction of your pain so as to
understand the messages that your pain has for you. So you can symbolically transform your pain into something. Now by doing that whole symbolic process, you're understanding exactly what your
pain is needing. So that then that gives you information about what to do about it out in your day-to-day life. Um,
another one would be something like a pain purge where I've got you in a very specific position which is not usual for
um for meditations and in that position you are literally siphoning all of the pain out of your body and purging it out.
Okay, so this is just two examples of So each one of these is basically a different experience to have with your pain and it's whatever pain you're going through. So it doesn't matter whether
it's physical pain, emotional pain, existential pain, mental pain. It basically addresses every type of pain.
And on top of that, the second part of this vault is a compilation of information of what I've taught about pain. So what is pain? Why is it here?
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minutesWhat do we actually do about it? That type of stuff. So, for those of you that are really mental about things and like to have a lot of understanding, it's that. But the reason that I I decided to
do these experiences is because we're in a time where a lot of people are in a lot of pain, but quite frankly, we're all so burned out that I'm noticing that
people are really lacking the capacity to make these big deal changes. You know, when you're in this level of pain, it's like, oh, and this is all the stuff
you need to do to get out of pain. It's like they just it's not manageable. I'm noticing people's capacity to like really put effort into things just go
like this. And so I wanted to create some kind of a a way to reach people where they're at with that and to be
like, "Okay, you don't you could be lying in a high hospital bed. You could be fresh out of a breakup to the point where you don't even know if you can put on pants. Like all you need to do is
just put this on and just follow me through it. That's it.
That's why I decided to do it this way versus like some complicated process or something else that I might be inclined to do normally, you know. Yeah. So, I'm
hoping I loved it. I did the fire one last night with my friend of feeling the fire and letting the the embers get like the
flames get louder and releasing it. And it's just such a beautiful way of using the elements to support us, you know,
and visually imagining the fire just burn away this thing. And you said something in it of like what are you ready to be done with and I feel it's
just this beautiful release of sometimes we can wallow in the pain like feel the pain but also don't get addicted sometimes to that you know that scab that we keep it like we just want to feel alive so we just keep going there especially when you're I don't know maybe like bored on an airplane you're going I'm going to go through all of our pictures together whatever the thing is and to just be like okay I'm going to feel the pain ceremonially like sit with
it through these meditations and then I'm going to really let it let it heal, right? And I feel like that's such a beautiful nuance to hold.
I'm glad you like that one. That that forest fire meditation is my personal favorite one. [laughter] I love that one.
Sometimes when I get into enough pain, I'm like real kamicazi. Like just give me something that's gonna just go through it. Yeah, I love that one.
Exactly. Clearly that's the one I wanted too. So people can find the pain vault and all of the information we listed in the show notes. Well, thank you Teal so
much for being back on. It's always a pleasure. I always love I'm always asking my personal questions and thank you for you know giving so much guidance
both from the collective of what we're all experiencing and these really futuristic solutions that I feel yes we
can say okay do this do that but I do feel you're completely correct living in community having these unique types of
relationship and along the way of course we're not going to go straight into that but I feel a lot I mean you're already living this way a lot of us in this
lifetime we do want to live in in this more community oriented way. And so, yeah, I look forward to continue to learn from you of how you've been able
to create this harmoniously for so long because I do feel shifting the way our society is set up is at the root of so much of this pain that we're in.
Maybe we should have another show about community living. That would be a fun one, wouldn't it? I think so.
Let's do it. And then we'll do our other one about successful women dating. Okay. [laughter] Okay.
But but the men will all be in the community, so it'll be really easy.
[laughter]
Great. Well, thank you again so much for being on. We'll have her her vault listed in the show notes. And thank you for tuning in. Thank you.
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