Shoah vs. The Holocaust (1978 TV-Mini) - The Power of Public Myth

Shoah vs. The Holocaust (1978 TV-Mini) - Ahmadinejad on The Power of Public Myth from Spike1138 on Vimeo.

“Prof. Zelikow’s area of academic expertise is the creation and maintenance of, in his words, ‘public myths’ or ‘public presumptions’ which he defines as ‘beliefs

(1) thought to be true (although not necessarily known with certainty) and
(2) shared in common within the relevant political community.’
In his academic work and elsewhere he has taken a special interest in what he has called ‘searing’ or ‘molding’ events (that) take on 'transcendent’ importance and therefore retain their power even as the experiencing generation passes from the scene. . . .

He has noted that ‘a history’s narrative power is typically linked to how readers relate to the actions of individuals in the history; if readers cannot make the connection to their own lives, then a history may fail to engage them at all.”

(“Thinking about Political History”, Miller Center Report, Winter 1999, pp. 5-7)

"Readers should imagine the possibilities for themselves, because the most serious constraint on current policy [nonaggression] is lack of imagination. An act of catastrophic terrorism that killed thousands or tens of thousands of people and/or disrupted the necessities of life for hundreds of thousands, or even millions, would be a watershed event in America's history.

It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented for peacetime and undermine Americans' fundamental sense of security within their own borders in a manner akin to the 1949 Soviet atomic bomb test, or perhaps even worse.

Constitutional liberties would be challenged as the United States sought to protect itself from further attacks by pressing against allowable limits in surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and the use of deadly force. More violence would follow, either as other terrorists seek to imitate this great "success" or as the United States strikes out at those considered responsible.

Like Pearl Harbor, such an event would divide our past and future into a "before" and "after."

The effort and resources we devote to averting or containing this threat now, in the "before" period, will seem woeful, even pathetic, when compared to what will happen "after."

Our leaders will be judged negligent for not addressing catastrophic terrorism more urgently."

- Philip Zelikow, "Catastrophic Terrorism", 1998

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077025/

Piers Morgan: 

"It is insdiputable that over 6,000,000 Jews were ahillated by Adolf Hitler and the Nazis"

(Notice, it's now no longer 6,000,000, it's now OVER 6,000,000)

Yes, but it isn't indisputable because of the documentary record, or due to counting - it's indisputable because you're not allowed to dispute the method of accounting.

Even Israeli historians will tell you that the Nazi invasion of the East under Operation Barabarossa unleashed a license to general program in, around and beyond the zone of conflict - several hundred thousand Jews were liquidated by Stalin for partisan activity or failing to answer the call of Mother Russia, or being sent to Punishment Units or Gulags; it was worst in the Baltic States of Lithuania, Lativa and Estonia, where the local population gleefully set about liquidating their own Jewish populations with relish, without having to be told.

Iranian President Hassan Rouhani on The Holocaust (1978 TV-Mini) vs. Shoah from Spike1138 on Vimeo.
"I have said before that I am not a historian, and when it comes to speaking of the dimensions of the Holocaust, it is the historians that should reflect.

But in general, I can tell you that any crime that happens in history against humanity, including the crimes the Nazis created towards the Jews as well as non-Jews is reprehensible and condemnable. Whatever criminality they committed against the Jews, we condemn."

He basically says exactly the same thing as Amadinijaad did, but uses more tactful language.

He's saying "The 6 million thing is bullshit", without directly referring the 6 million.

Ahmadinejad was notorious for going around saying "the Holocaust is a myth and they lie about it".

But the siege of Troy is a myth; the Kennedy Assassination is a myth; 9/11 is a myth; al-Qaeda is a myth.

Saying something is a myth is not the same as saying its not true or it didn't happen - there are countless real things and real events that are consciously mythologised to drive public policy.

Philip Zelikow wrote that paper on The Power of Public Myth - in reference to Pearl Harbour, and put it into practice by co-authoring Thirteen Days, which was his version of the Cuban Missile Crisis repurposed for propaganda purposes.

And then he wrote the 9/11 Commission Report, before the commissioners began hearing testimony.

And the Holocaust (as distinct from Shoah), IS a myth, we know it is - codified in the 1978 TV Miniseries, that's what the Holocaust *is*; the foundational myth of the apartheid State of Israel.

Holocaust, of course, means "burnt offering", a sacrifice demanded by YAWH of the Israelites; Shoah, I seem to recall, means something closer to "the sadness", which is accurate to the experience of European Jewry during these years; "Holocaust", isn't - Hitler wasn't sacrificing Jews in the Reich, but it IS an accurate turn of phrase from the point of view of the Zionist movement who leverage the deportations and refugee crisis to push their Jewish insurgency in Palestine and further their armed struggle to achieve an ethnically pure Jewish state. And close all the mixed swimming baths in Jerusalem.

Rouhani and Ahmadinejad are BOTH right, and their positions are in no way incompatible, although Ahmadinejad, for his rabble-rousing, was far more pissed off an militant about it the way he expressed himself, playing to the crowd.



https://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/irvinem/theory/baudrillard-simulacra_and_simulation.pdf




Mae Brussell - The Holocaust (1978 TV-Mini) - April 23,1978 from Spike1138 on Vimeo.
Disregard the stuff about the ADL in the first 10 mins - Mae cleans house.

The Power of Nightmares - Baby It's Cold Outside from Spike1138 on Vimeo.

In The Power of Nightmares, documentary filmmaker Adam Curtis opines that :

"[Leo] Strauss believed it was for politicians to assert powerful and inspiring myths that everyone could believe in.

They might not be true, but they were necessary illusions.

One of these was religion; the other was the myth of the nation."


Strauss noted that thinkers of the first rank, going back to Plato, had raised the problem of whether good and effective politicians could be completely truthful and still achieve the necessary ends of their society.

By implication, Strauss asks his readers to consider whether it is true that noble lies have no role at all to play in uniting and guiding the polis.

Are myths needed to give people meaning and purpose and to ensure a stable society? Or can men dedicated to relentlessly examining, in Nietzsche's language, those "deadly truths," flourish freely?

Thus, is there a limit to the political, and what can be known absolutely?

In The City and Man, Strauss discusses the myths outlined in Plato's Republic that are required for all governments. These include a belief that the state's land belongs to it even though it was likely acquired illegitimately and that citizenship is rooted in something more than the accidents of birth.


Seymour Hersh also claims that Strauss endorsed noble lies: myths used by political leaders seeking to maintain a cohesive society.