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Friday 18 July 2014

The Myth of Russian Aggression


Even Zbigniew Brezezinski thinks you're an idiot.

"Break this man with sanctions...?"  Russia is a resource economy Germany imports 60-80% of its natural gas, upon which it's entire energy infrastructure and productive economy absolutely cannot do without.

And Germany is the EU, as well as being the senior European Partner in NATO.

The only thing being "broken" by talk of sanctions against Russia is the British water table and continental shelf since the British Government, siezed by pure, crass, venal greed, have exploited the crisis as an excuse to ram through legislation fast-tracking commercial hydraulic fracturing ("fracking") techniques in the name of flammable tap-water, and the pipe-dream (pun intended) of future energy independence from Russia (which is never going to happen).

What sanctions do you propose to make the Russian economy scream more than the German, US, or moribund British industry?

Outlaw Tetris? Freedom Vodka?

A Buluga Caviar embargo? Because it worked so well with the Havana Cigars....

Boycott, Divestment and Sactions against all performances by the Moscow State Circus and the Bolshoi...?





"Let us re-examine our attitude toward the Soviet Union. It is discouraging to think that their leaders may actually believe what their propagandists write. It is discouraging to read a recent authoritative Soviet text on Military Strategy and find, on page after page, wholly baseless and incredible claims - - such as the allegation that 

" American imperialist circles are preparing to unleash different types of wars…that there is a very real threat of a preventive war being unleashed by American imperialists against the Soviet Union…(and that) the political aims of the American imperialists are to enslave economically and politically the European and other capitalist countries…(and) to achieve world domination."

Truly, as it was written long ago: "The wicked flee when no man pursueth." Yet it is sad to read these Soviet statements - - to realize the extent of the gulf between us. 

But it is also a warning - - a warning to the American people not to fall into the same trap as the Soviets, not to see only a distorted and desperate view of the other side, not to see conflict as inevitable, accommodations as impossible and communication as nothing more than an exchange of threats."


"In 1971, Reagan - then governor of California - attended a banquet to honor State Senator James Mills. After the main course, he asked Mills if he was familiar with "the fierce Old Testament prophet Ezekiel." 

He went on to explain that Russia was the Magog described in Ezekiel's prophecy and was thus  doomed to destruction.

"In the thirty-eighth chapter of Ezekiel it says God will take the children of Israel from among the heathen [where] they'd been scattered and will gather them again in the promised land," Reagan told Mills. "Ezekiel says that . . . the nation that will lead all the other powers into darkness against Israel will come out of the north. 

What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel [besides Russia]? None. But it didn't seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description perfectly." 

Reagan conceded that "everything hasn't fallen into place yet," but he strongly believed the end of the Soviet empire and the second coming of Christ were increasingly close at hand."

Joel Rosenberg
"The Ezekiel Option"

http://spikethenews.blogspot.com/2014/07/ronald-reagan-and-occult.html




"Other than he's a KGB bastard, a terrorist, murderer, dictator, totalitarian egomaniac who allows no opposition, and most importantly, invades independent nations and annexes territories he has no right to? And shoots planes down? Other than that ... yeah, very warm and fuzzy guy."

Bwa-haha-haha!


Firstly, you need to stop reading the Left Behind books.

This isn't the Rapture, he isn't Vladimir Carpathia, and he isn't the Antichrist.

Russia is NOT Gog, or the Land of Mongol Hordes.


United Nations Secretary-General (and Antichrist) Nicolae Carpathia of Magog.

Now: let's dissect this-

"he's a KGB bastard"

He's also a devout Orthodox Christian and his parentage is well-known.

President Bush (both of them) were in the CIA, AND Skull & Bones, and Bush Sr was in the Carlyle Group, and was one of the former Directors of Central Intelligence.

President Obama is a Rockefeller Democrat, product of the university of Chicago, run for the White House by the Trilateral Commission, product of a (broken) CIA Household; he and his wife are Phi Beta Kappa, and his is the Boulé, the Black Skull & Bones 

Bill Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar, Phi Beta Kappa at Yale and was raised in the DeMolay Society.

Ronald Reagan was a self-taught occultist (after Manley P. Hall), product of the Mob-controlled AMA and Screen Actor's Guild, the John Birch Society, and was a Friendly Witness at HUAC, who named names.

Jimmy Carter was a puppet and a creature of the Trilateral Commission.

Gerald Ford was a Shriner, a Freemason and an FBI informant.

Richard Nixon and John Kennedy were a Quaker and an Irish Catholic respectively, and so swore no secret oaths or bonds of allegiance to anyone and were both removed from office by The Brotherhoods. 

Lyndon Johnson was a Freemason; Dwight Eisenhower was a Rotarian (I believe); Harry Truman was a Shriner and a Freemason;

Franklin Roosevelt AND Henry Wallace were both Shriners, Grand Master Masons and (according to Peter Lavenda) practicing Occultists.

George Washington was a Freemason, a General in the British Army and an Indicted Traitor and Oathbreaker.

Putin was an officer in the KGB, and later the FSB, yes. This is no secret. He gives interviews about it.

Unlike Bush Sr, he was never the Head of the Secret Police, prior to assuming office. And Bush denies ever being in the CIA prior to November 1975, when he was appointed to head it, which is a lie.

The KGB Perseus an independent foreign policy; the CIA clearly does not (except in the sense that it is independent of the overt, some-what elected Government).

So, that's a plus. I fail to see your point.

" terrorist"

In order to make this clear, for your point to be admissible, you must distinguish between State Terror and the Terrorism of Non-State Actors.

Putin has never even been accused of Terrorism waged against his own state, or any other, and by definition, any acts perpetrated or initiated by him as either a KGB/FSB Officer, or as the Head of State (such as PLF-101) would be an Act of State.

No American has ANY moral authority tolecture others about State Terror - let alone point the finger at any one individual...


"murderer"

Who has he (personally) murdered, or had murdered, for reasons other than that they were an Enemy of the State? 

How many Enemies of the Zionist State has Netanyahu had murdered in the last 8 hours..?

And EVERY Revolutionary, will tell you, from Herod, to Machiaveli, to Castro and Ché, that "The State has a right to protect itself" - crimes against the State are Treason, and in most cultures and most societies (except Cuba, and traditionally Russia), Treason is punishable by Death.

Why do you think the Gulag was invented? The traditional, Tsarist, Marxist-Lennist punishment for Political Crimes was Exile, not Death. That's now considered "inhumane"...

"dictator"

He has a Duma, and there are regular elections (which are free and fair), constitutional government and open debate.

The Far-Right, who @Will Ruha spoke of, have a voice, they can be heard, but unlike the American Far-Right, a tiny minority of crazy people cannot hold the entire country to ransom and subvert the system of government through the abuse of parliamentary procedures and filibuster.

Democracy in Russia works - the insane people who lose under the democratic system in Russia (such as Zhyranovski, Pussy Riot and the  National Bolsheviks) will tell you it doesn't, and stupid people like @Will Ruha who don't like Putin or Russian independence will chose to to believe them.

Putin listens to his opponents and critics. They are in his government, and they shout a LOT...

"totalitarian egomaniac who allows no opposition"

See previous answer. This is simply untrue. It's a lie.

He has a self-confidence that terrifies and unnerves people naturally disposed towards opposing his agenda, but his ego is certainly neither outsized, nor disproportionate to his actual ability.

Again, he's a devout Christian, a pragmatic and practical man, with a frankly astonishing degree of humility for a man with so much potential power to abuse.



"and most importantly, invades independent nations and annexes territories he has no right to? "

Which nations? Since 1918, the only recognised, independent League of Nations/United Nations member state EVER to be invaded by either the Soviet Union or the Russian  Federation was Afghanistan - and since they were invited by the Afghan Government, in the midst of waging a defensive Civil War against CIA/NATO-sponsored insurgents, that hardly counts as being so egregious.

Let's do the list - 

Since 1999: Chechnya and Dagestan are provinces and constituent republics of the Russia Federation, where Russian Citizens were being slaughtered and ethnically cleansed by NATO-Arab Legion backed forces. No territory annexed, no independent nations invaded.

Georgia: in 1991, prior to the breakup of the Soviet Union, forces in the breakaway Georgian Soviet Socialist Republic unilaterally declared independence in contravention of international law, launched a Civil and regional war and began annexing adjacent parts of Russia in a land-and-oil grab, most notably South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

South Ossetia and Abkhazia and part of RUSSIA. Under every reading of international law. 

When the Soviet Union dissolved in December 1991, Georgian Soviet Foreign Minister Edward Schervnazda returned home to Georgia (as a patriot), ran for office and was elected as President for three consecutive terms.

Independent post-Soviet Georgia flourished, and quickly ended the Civil War, agreeing a bilateral peacekeeping force with the Russian Federation to administer the disputed provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, pending a plebiscite, popular referendum (once the Georgian terrorism had ceased, which it never did), and then a possible transfer of soverignty, according to the outcome of the vote.

In 2002, Scherevnazda was removed by a CIA People Power Coup/Colour Revolution, and replaced with the IMF Puppet (and complete raving lunatic Russophobe) Mikhail Sakhashvelli.

In August 2008, becoming impatient, Sakhashvelli ordered the Georgian army to attack and INVADE RUSSIA, (treading the well-worn paths of Napoleon, Genghis Khan and Hitler), pushing out the Russian elements of the bilateral PEACEKEEPING forces in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, declared that the Russians had attacked first and Georgia annexed Abkazia, South Ossetia and some strategic Russian high-ground in the next Russia provinces up.

Russia then occupied it's own territory, evicted the Georgian army, restored Russian soverignty and then explained itself to the world, most of whom were not interested in hearing it.

Then there is the tiny Russian enclave of Soviet Red Army officers in Moldova - they have been there since 1990, and Moscow discreetly resupplies them and recognises the government they proclaimed in 1990, although not in the UN or other world bodies.

As does Moldova, which acknowledges, de facto, the tiny Soviet enclave by ignoring it. It's a tiny bacillus of the Former Soviet Union that bothers no-one but John McCain, who is offended by the very fact of its existence. But these Soviet citizens have a right to self-determination and their own system of government, and if no-one but the Russians will support them, they're just fine with that.

It was part of the Soviet Union in 1990, and they consider themselves (still) a constituent republic of the Soviet Union today - nothing was occupied of any foreign nation, and no-one is insisting that the Pope annexed the Vatican to the detriment of the Kingdom of Italy. Likewise, no-one cares.

"and most importantly, invades independent nations and annexes territories he has no right to? "

Firstly, the Crimea. In words of one syllable, where possible.

They. Had. An. ELECTION.

A free one, where there was overwhelming popular support for rejoining the Russian Federation and abandoning Nulandistan and the Kiev Criminals.


The Crimea is not part of the Ukraine, and never has been.

Even the New York Times, in 1918, (the first map in history ever to have a place called "The Ukraine" marked anywhere on it, by the way), in their article "Dismembered Russia" groups it in with The Caucassian borders to the South.

Crimea is Russia and the people of Crimea are Russians and want to live in Russia. Including the Muslims, Turkmen and Tartars.

Not NATO, not the EU. Mother Russia. 98.56%.


Second: Russia and the Western Powers undertook bilaterally in 1994 that both would guarantee and ensure a strong, independent, neutral and non-aligned Ukraine, whilst the West undertook to respect acknowledge the continuation of Russia's rights of access and soverignty, within agreed parameters, over the strategic air and naval bases and assets located within the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine vital to Russia's national interest and securing access to the Black Sea Fleet and the Dardanelles.

Russia always upheld this treaty and has never violated it. Russian forces and troop movements to its bases in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine never exceeded those allowed under the 1994 agreement, prior to the Crimean Referendum in Ukraine, and never have in Eastern (Free) Ukraine to this day.


In 2004, and on an ongoing basis from October 2013, the Western Powers have unilaterally violated every aspect of that bilateral agreement to ensure a free, non-aligned and independent Ukraine. Intentionally, and with aggression and malice of forethought.

Under the 1994 agreement, Russia removed it's strategic nuclear forces and arsenal from Ukraine, whilst retaining it's Black Sea Fleet and conventional forces, logistics and support elements in perpetuity.

Pressuring Ukraine to join NATO violates this treaty. Joining the Russian Energy Market collective would violate this treaty. Overthrowing the elected government of Ukraine violates that treaty. Pressuring Ukraine with a speculative EU-Association agreement and offering cash bribes to join the European Soviet Union violates that treaty. Engineering a putsch and deposing the President of Ukraine by extra-Constitutional means an imposing the Cabal of State Dept. hand-picked Kiev Criminals and IMF Puppet Vampires such as the Chocolate King violates that treaty.

Vladimir Putin has never violated that treaty, or made any other aggressive act towards either the Ukraine itself, or the Western Powers of the EU, NATO or Nulandistan.

Violating that treaty is an aggressive act against Russia by NATO. These are facts.

Russia is justified and wise to take defensive measures and act unilaterally to protect itself from Chaos and anarchy on its doorstep brought their by NATO.




Ezekiel 38-39King James Version (KJV)

38 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,

2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,

3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.

8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

10 Thus saith the Lord God; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:

11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?

14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:

16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

17 Thus saith the Lord God; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face.

19 For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;

20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every man's sword shall be against his brother.

22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.

23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.

39 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.

4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.

5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord God.

6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the Lord.

7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, the Holy One in Israel.

8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord God; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord God.

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.

14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.

15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.

16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord God.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord God.


MH17 - If You Made it Up, Nobody Would Believe You

KAL-007 : Bond Air

(Except That You Always Do, and They Do...)






Bond Air is Go : The Malaysian Airline Disaster(s) and The Memes of a Myth



"There's going to be a bomb on a passenger jet. 

British and American governments know about it but rather than expose the source of their information they're going to let it happen. 

The plane will blow up. Coventry all over again. "

"Neat, don't you think? You've been stumbling around the fringes of this one for ages. 

Or were you too bored to notice the pattern..?"


"You are right in thinking that he under the British government. 

You would also be right in a sense if you said that occasionally he IS the British government. 

Mycroft draws four hundred and fifty pounds a year, remains a subordinate, has no ambitions of any kind, will receive neither honour nor title, but remains the most indispensable man in the country.

...His position is unique. He has made it for himself. There has never been anything like it before, nor will be again. He has the tidiest and most orderly brain, with the greatest capacity for storing facts, of any man living. 

The same great powers which I have turned to the detection of crime he has used for this particular business. The conclusions of every department are passed to him, and he is the central exchange, the clearinghouse, which makes out the balance. All other men are specialists, but his specialism is omniscience. 

We will suppose that a minister needs information as to a point which involves the Navy, India, Canada and the bimetallic question; he could get his separate advices from various departments upon each, but only Mycroft can focus them all, and say offhand how each factor would affect the other. 

They began by using him as a short-cut, a convenience; now he has made himself an essential. In that great brain of his everything is pigeon-holed and can be handed out in an instant. 

Again and again his word has decided the national policy. 

He lives in it. 

He thinks of nothing else save when, as an intellectual exercise, he unbends if I call upon him and ask him to advise me on one of my little problems".


8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. 

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the inter- national distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

More questions than answers in Siberian Airlines jet explosion - October 6 2001



More questions than answers in Siberian Airlines jet explosion - World Socialist Web Site

The cause of the destruction Thursday of a Siberian Airlines passenger jet with 78 people aboard remains shrouded in uncertainty, with Russian investigators conceding at least three possible explanations for the mid-air explosion: a terrorist attack, a mechanical catastrophe, or the accidental launch of a surface-to-air missile from Ukraine.
The plane was carrying Israeli passengers, mainly immigrants from Russia, from Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv to the Siberian city of Novosibirsk, where they were to visit relatives for the festival of Sukkot. Dozens of relatives have begun flying from Siberia and Israel to the Black Sea port of Sochi, where recovered bodies are being brought for identification.
The plane exploded at 36,000 feet as it was crossing the Black Sea from Turkey to Russia. It was about 115 miles south of the Crimean peninsula, the southernmost point of Ukraine, where Ukrainian and Russian military forces were conducting a joint exercise that involved the firing of dozens of surface-to-air missiles.
The US government was the source of initial reports that Siberian Airlines Flight 1812 had been hit by a Ukrainian missile. US intelligence officials told the Washington Post that the missile launch had been detected by the US National Security Agency, which conducts satellite reconnaissance of such weapons firings throughout the globe. The launch took place only minutes before the destruction of the plane, the Post reported.
All of the governments involved are dealing with the tragedy, not from the standpoint of the interests of the families of the victims, but with an eye to their diplomatic and military concerns in a region that is rapidly becoming a staging area for US military intervention. (US military transports were flying 1,000 special operations troops into Uzbekistan at the same time that the Siberan jet was shot down.)
Ukraine initially rejected outright the claim that one of its missiles could have destroyed the passenger jet, declaring that the flight was far outside the range of the missile and that ground radar had seen no planes passing through the area of the war games. One Ukrainian military spokesman also claimed that the military exercise had not even begun until an hour and a half after the explosion.
The Ukrainian Defense Minister, Oleksandr Kuzmuk, insisted it was impossible for the airliner to have been shot down as all the rockets used during the training exercise had self-destruct mechanisms in case they deviated from their course.
“The direction of the firing and the distance do not correspond to the plane’s explosion site, either in theory or in practice,” said a Ukrainian Defense Ministry spokesman. “All the hits by the rockets used during the exercise were recorded by corresponding devices and reached their targets.”
The Ukrainian daily newspaper Den criticized the US and European press coverage, writing, “As soon as news of the Russian Tu-154 plane crash broke yesterday, some Russian and Western media rushed to blame the Ukrainian armed forces. This was done in complete absence of any official information.”
But under intense pressure after the US declaration, Ukraine Prime Minister Kinakh said that the missile theory had “a right to exist,” while pleading that it was too early to draw conclusions before any investigation.
Russian officials initially sought to blame the plane explosion on unnamed terrorists. The sections of the plane recovered from the Black Sea include the cockpit, nearly intact, which reportedly had a series of punctures in the metal that resembled bullet-holes. Forensic experts are now examining this evidence.
Russian President Vladimir Putin has embraced the US war drive against Afghanistan and sought to link the US campaign against Osama bin Laden with the ongoing Russian war against Islamic guerrillas in Chechnya. The official Russian probe of the air disaster, which destroyed a Russian plane and Russian crew, began with the chief investigator invoking the country’s anti-terror law.
But in the face of US insistence on the missile theory, Putin reversed himself, effectively endorsing the American view, although Russian military personnel were participating in the war games in Crimea, monitored the missile launches and reported no unusual outcomes.
The American response to the tragedy has been peculiar in the extreme. Within a few hours of the explosion, even before any fragments of the plane had been recovered, let alone the black boxes that would provide more substantial evidence, the US government declared the destruction of 78 lives to be a regrettable accident and not a terrorist attack.
US officials were remarkably free in citing the information supplied by US satellites using infrared detectors, usually a closely guarded secret. The New York Times noted, “the United States vigilantly monitors missile launches around the world, and has long kept a hawk’s eye on the Black Sea from cold-war-era observation posts in Turkey.”
The response of the American media, especially the television networks, was notably muted, without the sensationalism that usually attends their coverage of such tragic events. One should contrast this treatment with the coverage of the TWA Flight 800 disaster, which the media immediately declared to be the result of a terrorist bomb. This theory persisted for nearly two years, until the FBI was compelled to admit that a defect in the center fuel tank of the Boeing 747 jet was the likely cause of the explosion.
The rapid US intervention to “solve” the mystery of the mid-air explosion and the relative indifference of the media have a political explanation. The disaster takes place at a time of maximum tension between the Bush administration and the Israeli government, only two days after the State Department revealed that the US government was prepared to sanction the establishment of a Palestinian state, and only hours after Sharon denounced Washington in the most strident terms, comparing its policy toward the Arab regimes in the Middle East to the Munich appeasement of Hitler.
The Bush administration wanted to make sure that the Israeli government could not use the Siberian Airlines disaster as a means of provoking further conflicts with the Arab states over alleged terrorism, and perhaps disrupting the fragile coalition backing a US attack against Afghanistan.
In Israel there were hints that the crash itself might have been a product of the growing tensions in the region. The Jerusalem Post published a commentary on the crash under the extraordinary headline, “Sharon’s warning shot.” The text of the editorial did not substantiate the suggestion that the shooting down of the airliner was a warning to the Israeli government. Instead, it linked the crash to Sharon’s earlier speech comparing Bush to Neville Chamberlain.
But in worried tones, the newspaper advised: “It is imperative that there be complete cooperation among Ukraine, Russia, and Israel, and any foreign intelligence agencies that can shed light on what happened. The sooner the cause of the crash can be positively determined, the better it will be for relations between the nations involved, and at least the added burden of uncertainty will be lifted.”

Thursday 17 July 2014

MH-17





Pay dirt. 
No flight, no dead people. 
End of.

BTS - Bureau of Traffic Statistics showing Flight 11 never departed from Boston Logan international Airport on 9/11/2001.


"8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

 a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be subsituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone. 

 b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the inter- national distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by the destruction of aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow IACO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.






Ihor,

Events are moving rapidly in Crimea. Our friends in Washington expect more decisive actions from your network.

I think it's time to implement the plan we discussed lately. Your job is to cause some problems to the transport hubs in the south-east in order to frame-up the neighbor.

It will create favorable conditions for Pentagon and the Company to act.

Do not waste time, my friend.

Respectfully,
JP

Jason P. Gresh
Lieutenant Colonel, U.S. Army
Assistant Army Attaché
U.S. Embassy, Kyiv
Tankova 4, Kyiv, Ukraine 04112



"In the Church, attacks are often perpetrated through rumour - in the Church, a rumour is a powerful commodity - much more powerful than Fact.

In the Church, "Fact" don't mean nuthhin' : rumour, SPECULATION - "The Pastor sleepin' wi' Billy-Jo Mamma" - can ruin a man instantaneously!

In that area, "Fact" is not an argument ; because, you have Speculation Science..." 
- Bro. Steve Cokely.



Obama is reacting well. He is refusing to take it seriously.

Ignore the War Provocation...

He has already spoken to Putin and promised to provide whatever support and cooperation necessary "to find out what happened".

He knows what this is.

No-one saw a missile. NO-ONE.





"The Young Poland of Lelewel and Worcell demands the re-creation of the Polish state and rollback of the 1772-95 partitions of Poland. But they go much further, laying claim to Poland in its old Jagiellonian borders, stretching from the shores of the Baltic to the shores of the Black Sea. This includes an explicit denial that any Ukrainian nation exists. In the orbit of Young Poland is the poet Adam Mickiewicz, a close friend of Mazzini’s who was with him last year during the Roman Republic. Mickiewicz argues that Poland is special because it has suffered more than any other nation; Poland is “the Christ among nations.” Mickiewicz dreams of uniting all the west and south Slavs against the “tyrant of the north,” the “barbarians of the north.” By this he means Russia, the main target. Young Poland’s program also foreshadows the obvious conflict with Young Germany over Silesia.



Young Russia means the anarchist Mikhail Bakunin and the aristocratic ideologue Aleksandr Herzen. Herzen is an agent of Baron James Rothschild of Paris. Right after the Crimean War, Herzen will start publishing “The Polar Star” and “The Bell,” both leak sheets for British secret intelligence that will build up their readership by divulging Russian state secrets. Herzen’s obvious target is Czar Alexander II, the ally of Lincoln. Herzen prints the ravings of Bakunin, who preaches pan-Slavism, meaning that Russia will take over all the other Slavic nations. “Out of an ocean of blood and fire there will rise in Moscow high in the sky the star of the revolution to become the guide of liberated mankind.” Vintage Bakunin. If Mazzini relies on the stiletto, for Bakunin it is “the peasant’s axe” that will bring down the “German” regime in St. Petersburg.



Herzen is interested in sabotaging Alexander II and his policy of real, anti-British reform in Russia. To block real industrial capitalist development, he preaches reliance on the aboriginal Slavic village, the mir, with “communal ownership of the land” plus the ancient Slavic workshop, the artel. The mir will never build the Trans-Siberian railway. Herzen sees Russia as the “center of crystallization” for the entire Slavic world. Herzen, although he is usually called a “westernizer,” is totally hostile to western civilization. He writes of the need for a “new Attila,” perhaps Russian, perhaps American, perhaps both, who will be able to tear down the old Europe. In the moment when the British will seem so close to winning everything, Herzen will support Palmerston’s Polish insurrection of 1863, and will lose most of his readers. Once the American Civil War is over, the British will have little use for Herzen. By then, London will be betting on the nihilist terrorists of the Narodnaya Volya (People’s Will), who will finally kill Alexander II, plus the Russian legal Marxists, all British agents. But already today we can see the conflicts ahead between Young Poland and Young Russia. In the conflicts among Mazzini’s national chauvinist operations, we can see the roots of the slaughter of World War I."



The Senior Vice President of Malaysian Airlines says that most, but not all, (233 of 295) of the nationalities of the "Victims" have been confirmed; that's ridiculous.

You have a computer and their passport details.

How can you not know..,?




"This dramatic battle between good and evil was precisely the kind of myth that Leo Strauss had taught his students would be necessary to rescue the country from moral decay.

It might not be true, but it was necessary, to re-engage the public in a grand vision of America's destiny, that would give meaning and purpose to their lives.

The Straussians started to create a worldview which is a fiction.

The world is NOT divided into good and evil.

The battle in which we are engaged is NOT a battle between good and evil.

The United States, as anyone who observes understands, has done some good and some bad things.

It's like any great power. This is the way history is.

But they wanted to create a world of moral certainties, so therefore they invent mythologies—fairytales—describing any force in the world that obstructs the United States as somehow Satanic, or associated with evil..."


DETROIT — Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday that the Malaysia Airlines plane that went down over Ukraine earlier in the day “apparently” was “shot down — shot down, not an accident, blown out of the sky.”

He also said there may have been Americans on board the jet.






Putin is the most intelligent and capable world leader on the scene today.



They're exercises. 

Just exercises.




"Screw the [New York] Times, they're our enemies."

President Richard M. Nixon, 1971




"Mr McCain fought in Vietnam. I think that he has enough blood of peaceful citizens on his hands. It must be impossible for him to live without these disgusting scenes anymore. Mr McCain was captured and they kept him not just in prison, but in a pit for several years, anyone would go nuts."

Response to John McCain's tweet: "Dear Vlad, The Arab Spring is coming to a neighbourhood near you."

Ilyas Akhmadov: Indicted Chechen Mass-Murderer
Lives in Virginia on a State Dept. stipend.


Ilyas Akhmadov discusses his book "The Chechen Struggle: Independence Won and Lost." Told from his perspective, the book is a uniquely candid, inside account of Chechnya’s two wars against Russia, its interwar attempt to establish national institutions, and the splintering and eventual radicalization of the resistance. The book captures the predicament of Chechen moderates who unsuccessfully sought to attain international assistance to stop the war and avert its catastrophic consequences: the mass slaughter of Chechens, the spread of the conflict throughout the region, and Russia’s slide into dictatorship.

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The problem with nearly all 911 research regarding this issue of the BTS discrepancies of flights 11 & 77 is it all ends here, and no more questions are asked. If you ask the right question, you usually get the right answer. If you ask the wrong question, you usually get the wrong answer. If you ask no more questions at all, you will get no more answers. And thus, it is left there, with no more questions. So lets start asking some of the questions which have never been asked or pursued.

Question # 1. Do we have any evidence that shows the passengers at the airport, boarding terminals or boarding the planes?

Answer: No - Not on any of the "4 flights" of 911 [Is this not a huge red flag already? If such footage existed, and by all means if the governments story is true, there is indeed footage of all the passengers at the airports and boarding terminals. Yet not an inch of footage of this video has ever once been produced.] **The answer why there is no video of any of the passengers at any of the terminals or airports is because it simply does not exist and never did exist. 

Question # 2.
 How does a passenger purchase a ticket for a Flight which will not fly on 9/11?

This is conceivably possible. Flights are canceled all the time and combined with other flights according to the dictates of the airlines and passenger loads any given day. Yet there are no records of any such occurrences on 9/11. The official story is set in stone. The people boarded Flight 11. They boarded AT Flight 11's gate. 

Question #3. How does a passenger fly on a flight which never takes off on 911? 

Now this is impossible. This is where the tougher questions are needed. The passengers all disappeared and that, seamlessly, on 911. This is beyond dispute. And yet they never could have boarded a flight that did not take off. They might have conceivably purchased tickets for these flights, but they could have never actually gotten onto flight 11, boarded and then taken off. Why? Because the BTS database is accurate and also definite. Flight 11 did not depart on 911. Unfortunately this presents a conundrum and a wall of confusion that none stepped over till now.

Question # 4.
 Where did the passengers go, if not onto flight 11? 

Were they herded into rooms at the airports as some theorists have assumed? Were they tricked onto boarding another flight, which they thought was flight 11, a sort of 'patsy plane' if you will? These are all legitimate questions because we do after all have the collective disappearance of of 92 souls. They had to have gone somewhere, because they couldn't have gone nowhere. They didn't board or fly on flight 11. We have no reports of any disturbances at any of the airports, much less Boston Logan, which would likely happen if airport officials tried to sequester 92 people trying to board a flight inside an International airport with hundreds of witnesses all around, and yet they collectively disappeared. Not onto flight 11. And not sequestered at the airports. Then where? 

At this point we are running out of ground to walk on unless we pass over the most difficult bridge of all and ask the most unpleasant of all questions;

Question # 5.
 Were any of the passengers on flight 11 or any of the 4 planes part of the conspiracy of 9/11?

As an investigator, all things need to be considered. Regardless of peoples emotions, and all lines need to be investigated. The fact that there were no disruptions at any of the airports, indicates that the passengers disappeared seamlessly. Without struggle. Without commotion. Without notice. And without video surveillance. The fact the government has not produced a single video showing any of the passengers is likely because if they did so, it would prove upon analysis that the passengers were in a part of the airport they never should have been on 9/11. This is why the government cannot produce the video of any of the passengers on 911 at the airports, with the possible exception of Flight 93 which we will touch on later.

The fact that the passengers disappeared seamlessly would indicate that they were willing participants by and large. It is plausible to believe that some passengers were just regular people, and randomly chosen for death & disappearance on 9/11. The planners after all were doing as much for 3000 people at the World trade Center. A few more is nothing to them. But it is not plausible to believe this is the case for all of the passengers

This item is what I believe is an issue which cannot be answered without more data. Whether or not regular passengers were chosen and incorporated into these flights, or whether or not they were all in one way or another part of the conspiracy. Perhaps it is a mixture of real passengers and conspirators. It is beyond the scope of this article to deal with all of the passengers and possible connections to 911 planning, although there is a mountain of supporting evidence, when there should be none. And for at least 3 of the planes passengers in question, their disappearance at the airports deserve further investigation, for we know that the 3 groups of people from flights 11, 175 and 77 were not passengers on their respective flights. The fact that the passengers from these 3 groups, at 2 airports disappeared so seamlessly is indicative that they were possibly willing participants. Combined with the lack of video the government has released showing any of the passengers at any of the 3 airports, it surely isn't implausible to believe that they are in a position where they cannot produce the video without incriminating themselves. My belief is that they do have video of the 3 groups of people at the 2 airports (93 is not included here) but cannot release it because it will show the passengers in a part of the airport they were never supposed to have been. Which would of curse help citizen investigators come closer to determining how 911 was operationally pulled off regarding the passengers and 4 planes. Why else would they withhold it? 

It should be noted that all of the above, regarding Flight 11 was also repeated at Dulles International Airport. Done twice at 2 airports. The 2 flights which the BTS shows as never having taken off, flight 11 & 77, the two American airlinesplanes. One from Boston, one from Dulles. The passengers for the other ghost flight, 77, the flight which the BTS shows as never having taken off, by and large mirror what is described above with flight 11. All of the passengers of flight 77 disappeared, seamlessly, yet they didn't get onto or take off on flight 77, because the BTS shows it as never having taken off on 9/11. And likewise, no reports of commotion or disruptions at Dulles, as one would expect if an entire plane-load of passengers were being redirected against their wills, in a public International airport. I emphasize, that they disappeared seamlessly. Without notice. Without commotion, & as the passengers on the other ghost flight of 911, flight 11 at Boston Logan, without video surveillance. 

This constitutes our 2nd conundrum regarding the passengers and the 4 flights on 9/11. 2 groups of people, one from flight 11 at Boston and one from flight 77 at Dulles would both seamlessly disappear under similar circumstances. And both groups of people would never board either of the flights, 11 or 77. Because the BTS database tells us this flight never departed. Let the conundrum remain for now, and don't ignore it, because in it lies part of the solution to understanding how they operationally pulled off at least one layer of 911. 

We encounter our third conundrum with the photographic evidence of flight 175. Even from a casual observance of all the evidence of pictures and video we have of flight 175, it is quite obvious it was not a commercial airliner, much less flight 175 which had passengers on board.

Thus if commercial flight 175 did not hit the South Tower as we were all told, our third conundrum now becomes what happened to those passengers on flight 175? A third group of missing people. If they were not aboard that plane, and all evidence tells us they weren't, then where did the passengers from flight 175 go to? Were the planes switched in mid-air? Taken over by remote control and flown into the towers? Where o where did this third group of people, the passengers from flight 175 disappear to? Is anyone starting to see a pattern here? One group after another of the 4 groups of people on 911 have all sorts of difficulties with their stories and the story of their disappearance. 

As we move along to Flight 93 we will find even more issues. Though not quite the same, and as a matter of fact, we will get a glimpse of the key to understanding this mysteries outlined above. Something nobody was ever intended to read or see. It is simply an unintended consequence of 9/11 and something the planners of 911 couldn't ever plan for or forsee.

Flight 93 was boarded twice. By two groups of people at two separate locations at Newark Airport. We know this because of two credible eye-witnesses. This is also more then likely the reason why flight 93 was 41 minutes late in taking off on 9/11. We were never supposed to know or learn of this 2nd boarding for flight 93, this was one of those things they couldn't forsee. After closing it's door at the terminal, Flight 93 reopened the door to the plane, to allow Mark Bingham aboard. Mark Bingham has for all intents and purposes totally messed up and missed his plane. They literally re-opened the door to the airplane at the terminal jet-bridge and allowed him onto the plane.

Quote:
Mark Bingham: Flight 93

One passenger was late. Mark Bingham had overslept and his friend, Matthew Hall, drove madly from Manhattan to Newark. They screeched to a halt outside Terminal A at 7:40. Bingham leapt from the car, lugging the old, blue-and-gold canvas bag he'd used as a rugby player at the University of California at Berkeley a decade earlier.United attendants reopened the door to the boarding ramp and let him on the plane.
 Lucky he was that Flight 93 was 41 minutes late or he might have missed his flight.
After pulling away from the gate, flight 93 goes around the corner to pick up another 'charter' for the days flight, a second group of people. This was never reported on. Nor were you ever intended to so much as get a glimpse of this 2nd boarding. It happened as the result of a planning snafu. 

Quote:
Triton's Clayton White on other side of recruiting

"You might say Clayton White's life has come full circle since February 1996.

White’s career didn’t end there, however. He eventually made the NFL’s New York Giants as a free agent and spent three seasons in the league, the last one in 2002 with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

But the most lasting memory of White’s time in New York had nothing to do with football. "We had played a Monday night game in Denver, and flew back home the next morning," White said. "We landed in Newark, N.J., about 6:45 in the morning. We usually get off the plane on the tarmac and board a bus to get to our cars.

"I noticed another plane sitting next to ours because the people were walking to the plane across the tarmac instead of through the jetway.

"Two weeks later, as we’re taking another plane to a game, one of the stewardesses informed us the plane that had been boarding next to us was Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania on 9/11. That was a very eerie feeling." - Fayetteville Observer (01/31/06)
Triton Clayton White saw something he wasn't supposed to see, because the planners of 911 did not take into consideration the possibility of charter flights offloading on the same tarmac they were to pick up this 2nd group of people with Flight 93. Triton Clayton White (New York Giant Football player) saw FLIGHT 93 being boarded on theTarmac at Newark, which is another separate boarding then when they picked people up at the terminal using a jet-bridge. That self same terminal at Newark, to this day, has a flag at it, where the hero's of 9/11 boarded their fateful flight. Make no mistake about it, the first group of people boarded at the terminal, and a 2nd group of people boarded on the Tarmac. All onto flight 93, and all of this at Newark on 9/11. 

But who is this 2nd group of people being boarded onto flight 93, and why the cloak and dagger boarding of a 2nd group of passengers onto Flight 93 on the tarmac, AFTER the boarding at the terminal?

This presents us with our 4th conundrum. There appears to be incredibly serious issues with each of the flights, their boardings, their departures, identities, destinations, and now this? 

STATUS: NO DEPARTURE: NO BOARDING: On flight 11, we have passengers which boarded and disappeared onto a plane which never took off and which video evidence plausibly shows to be a military drone.

STATUS: DEPARTURE & BOARDING: On flight 175, we have a different issue, as the plane which struck the towers was not commercial flight 175, with those passengers aboard, and also all sorts of plausible evidence that shows this plane to be a military drone as well.

STATUS: NO DEPARTURE: NO BOARDING: On flight 77, we have passengers which allegedly board and depart on a flight which never departed that day, according to BTS.

STATUS: DEPARTURE & TWO BOARDINGS: On flight 93, we have an unusual late passenger being let on the plane after missing it, as well as a second boarding on the tarmac after its first initial boarding at the terminal using a jet-bridge.


This is as far as my research has gone, sorry I cannot supply any answers or solutions beyond this, but feel free to chime in with your own research and ideas. Psyche. Just kidding. Actually, if your still with me, we are nearly done with wrapping up all the loose ends and tying it all together and seeing what happened on 911 as well as the most plausible explanation to all of the mysteries regarding the passengers and flights.

From here out, it is actually very simple. At Boston they did a variation of the disappearing coin trick, with an additional coin thrown in, Delta flight 1989, as we will see, and at Dulles, they used the disappearing deck trick. Simply put, the passengers of flight 77 at Dulles are the same group of people who we see on the SECOND BOARDING AT NEWARK AIRPORT. The passengers at Dulles caught an earlier flight which took them to Newark where they were to rendevouz with Flight 93, and did so successfully. Howbeit, there is a witness to this deception, Triton Clayton White, the New york Giant who saw Flight 93 boarding ON THE TARMAC. After its FIRST BOARDING AT THE TERMINAL.

At Boston Logan International Airport, they used a similar deception. Here, the passengers from both flights 11 & 175 are combined into one flight. It would eventually become delta flight 1989 and land at Cleveland International Airport... While flight 93, now having also the passengers from flight 77 from the 2nd boarding at Newark, will head to the same destination; Cleveland International Airport.

Stuart Air Force Base Mystery - Explained

Above Stuart air force base we are told that flight 11 and 175 nearly collided they got so close. We were also given snippets of this through air traffic control tapes. The explanation for this is as plausible as it is logical. This is where the 2 military drones which were to strike to world trade centers took off from. They would replace the flight path of Flight 175 as well as the path of flight 11, which up to this point was provided for by an electronic warfare plane which was one of "4" such aircraft in the air for the War games which were taking place on 9/11/2001. Sometime shortly after this, Flight 175 NOW HAVING BEEN REPLACED BY A MILITARY DRONE ON RADAR will change its transponder to Delta 1989, and make an emergency landing at Cleveland, with reports of a bomb aboard. This plane would contain roughly 200 people, and not only is it plausible that these people were the people from flights 11 & 175, it is highly probable and likely. Another plane, Flight 93, would also land at Cleveland airport. This was confirmed by both the Mayor of Cleveland, and United Airlines who publicly acknowledged on 911 and confirmed flight 93 landed in Cleveland. Flight 93 would end up being sequestered at one end of the airport, at the NASA Glenn hangar, while the other flight containing the other passengers from 11 & 175, now designated as Delta 1989, would be sequestered at the other end of the airport, at the I-X Exposition center. The two flights, Delta 1989 and United flight 93 had roughly 260 some people between them, the same number as the "4" flights, 11, 175, 77 & 93.